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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#101: Mar 2nd 2015 at 6:46:13 PM

Umm you can not be Genre Savvy about real life.. So yeah chop chop.

I could see at most genre based Conversational Troping like 'oh this is like a romance novel, next they kiss.' Which would go somewhere else.

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#102: Mar 2nd 2015 at 7:03:24 PM

That means we should vote to make it No Real Life Examples Please

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#103: Mar 2nd 2015 at 7:05:18 PM

Real Life is not a genre so a real life example just can not happen... Why would we need a vote on it?

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#104: Mar 2nd 2015 at 7:09:03 PM

Because that's how we verify wiki consensus.

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#105: Mar 2nd 2015 at 7:09:40 PM

Formality. There's a thread for it. I'll poke it.

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KarjamP The imaginative Christian Asperger from South Africa Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#106: Mar 2nd 2015 at 10:15:46 PM

Guys, your decision to cut it to revert the trope back to the way it was before the change means that stuff like Dangerously Genre-Savvy, Functional Genre Savvy, Contractual Genre Blindless Death by Genre Savviness and JustForFun.The Universal Genre Savvy Guide all need to either have their names checked or changed or needs to have their descriptions checked simply because they all rely on, to some degree, the old definition of the trope.

I've pointed this out several times, but you didn't actually pay attention to this.

As I said before, the trope had decayed to the point where "Savvy" became entirely what the trope's about within the minds of fellow tropers. I'm not saying we shouldn't cleanup the misuse. Simply that we should've think things more thoroughly before deciding to revert the trope to its definition before it was changed to cover the misuse that had resulted in Trope Decay.

(Also, I don't believe in sending everything into Trope Talk, especially in this case - this is the Trope Repair Shop, not a place to store "projects to clean up the trope").

edited 2nd Mar '15 10:22:31 PM by KarjamP

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#107: Mar 2nd 2015 at 10:22:33 PM

It might need a little cleanup but what exactly is wrong with Dangerously Genre-Savvy?

KarjamP The imaginative Christian Asperger from South Africa Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#108: Mar 2nd 2015 at 10:33:53 PM

The mere fact that many examples of Dangerously Genre-Savvy, and the trope itself, to my knowledge, rely on the old definition of Genre Savvy.

Dangerously Genre-Savvy is about the person's attempt to "defy tropes to their own advantage". Many of the examples on that page, including the page picture, doesn't convey the idea that the characters got their knowledge through knowing fiction through the back of their hands.

While it makes perfect sense to just rename Dangerously Genre-Savvy and remove the problematic statement concerning "using their Genre Savviness to their advantage", the mere fact remains that the decision to remove that paragraph to clean up the tropes may not be as well thought out as we may have assumed, at first.

KarjamP The imaginative Christian Asperger from South Africa Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#109: Mar 2nd 2015 at 11:05:11 PM

I would also like to point out that Genre Blindness also relies on the Trope Decay to the extent that it actually Snowclones Genre Savvy.

Not only that, but Genre Savvy still claims that Genre Blindness is its opposite.

That's why I said, while I was still trying to defend the paragraph, that the trope's a nail with several tropes - the Trope Decay is so ingrained within the wiki itself that attempting to revert the Trope Decay results in the Butterfly Effect simply due to several tropes relying on them.

Either we adapt Genre Savvy to the misuse simply due to how ingrained it is within this wiki, or we fix those tropes as well (as well as at least one Just for Fun page).

edited 2nd Mar '15 11:27:56 PM by KarjamP

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#110: Mar 2nd 2015 at 11:35:17 PM

There is no "old definition" of Genre Savvy. There was a paragraph that contradicted the page and there is all sorts of misuse.

It's already decided that we're not adapting Genre Savvy to the misuse. We'll need to address those pages at some point.

Zyffyr from Portland, Oregon Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#111: Mar 3rd 2015 at 2:01:19 AM

If those other pages need to be looked at after we finish up with this one, then we can open threads on them. The fact that they may need changes as a result of this is utterly irrelevant to what we are doing here. I don't speak for anyone else, but I for one didn't ignore your prior assertions - I merely found them to be irrelevant.

edited 3rd Mar '15 2:02:41 AM by Zyffyr

DAN004 Chair Man from The 0th Dimension Since: Aug, 2010
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#112: Mar 3rd 2015 at 2:39:05 AM

I honestly don't really think we have to work on those other tropes. They also follow the original definition of Genre Savvy.

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#113: Mar 3rd 2015 at 2:58:52 AM

[up] I agree, at most it might need a minor example and wick check and a maybe an additional sentence for emphasis on what it is not to make sure the decay didn't spread.

Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#114: Mar 3rd 2015 at 3:39:58 AM

Karjam, "Fixing <this page> means that we'll also have to fix <that page> as well" has never been a reason to not fix a broken page. This thread was about Genre Savvy. Those other tropes, while related, are not topics of discussion in this thread.

If they are misused or broken, then they get a TRS thread of their own. But the OPs of those thead will need to demonstrate that they are, in fact, broken.

edited 3rd Mar '15 3:42:07 AM by Madrugada

KarjamP The imaginative Christian Asperger from South Africa Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#115: Mar 3rd 2015 at 7:22:19 AM

I was just pointing out based upon my assumptions, that's all.

Besides, I was more into "playing devil's advocate" because I wasn't sure removing that paragraph was the most ideal solution available. If I play devil's advocate, like what I just did now, it's more an attempt to figure things out than because I'm upset with the change.

Anyway, just because it wasn't the "original" version of the trope doesn't automatically mean we couldn't adapt to it.

Not saying that we should, since obviously, you've already decided on the solution, but still, my point was that many people had identified the trope as meaning that.

...You know, thinking about it further, I am now starting to think I agree with the change, especially since I've now figured out what it genuinely means to be Genre Savvy. I apologize for my efforts.

edited 3rd Mar '15 7:25:46 AM by KarjamP

GnomeTitan Oversized Garden Ornament Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#116: Mar 3rd 2015 at 7:27:31 AM

Regarding the Real Life examples discussed above:

Surely we can remove any individual such example on the grounds that it's Not An Example (real life has no genre, so the trope does not apply)?

I think it's still a good idea to take it to the NRLEP thread, since that will prevent people from adding new real life examples in the future.

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#117: Mar 3rd 2015 at 7:47:58 AM

There's already a discussion about it in that thread.

A lot of the examples are generic or plain shoehorns no matter how you view it, though, and can be removed either way. I planned on taking an axe to it, but I'd rather wait until the vote is done in that thread to say whether it's a wasted effort to sift it through or not.

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#118: Mar 3rd 2015 at 10:15:42 AM

Hoo boy... just went over the GenreSavvy.Anime And Manga page... detailed changes are below in folders, if anyone wants to look over them. If the rest of the pages have this much shoehorning, we might have few enough examples to put all the examples on one page again...

    Anime/Manga Cut 
Most of these are cut because there is no mention made of meta knowledge, just that the characters are acting savvy

  • Ah! My Goddess:
    • In the arc where Urd is split into her Goddess and Demon selves, Skuld shows a bit of Savvy when Demon Urd mixes the two of them up and tries to play Spot the Imposter. It doesn't work, because Skuld wrote an identifier on Goddess Urd's backside before they even found the other: this was totally not just for Fanservice.
  • Axis Powers Hetalia:
  • Black Lagoon:
    • Rotton the Wizard actually has the sense to wear some body armor (and a groin protector) when pursuing Roberta. Despite being a Joke Character, he ends up being the only merc to walk away on his own power from the Greenback Jane arc siege.
  • Bleach:
    • Tite Kubo has a reputation for characters ambushing opponents in an attempt to strike the back of the neck. He addresses this habit directly when Ichigo tries it on Aizen. All he hits is an automatically-activated shield prompting Aizen to explain that he never enters battle without protecting such an obvious weak spot.
    • When Urahara appears to explode Aizen to death, Ichigo's attempt to congratulate him is halted by Urahara himself. Urahara explains that while it might be cute to think Aizen has died and therefore relax, he's not an ordinary monster and will very shortly return. He's right.
  • Code Geass:
    • By the series' end, Kallen's become familiar enough with Lelouch's Large Ham tactics to know that, if he says a cool-sounding philosophical line while making a dramatic gesture with his hands, it means he's about to do something incredibly improbable to screw over his enemies.
  • Death Note
—>"No, I can't develop feelings for her. That's how most idiots screw up."
  • He is also well aware of I Never Said It Was Poison tactics, and is extremely careful with how he acts and what he says, managing to avoid every trap question L throws his way.
    • The only thing that stops him from being victorious is that he's not savvy enough to suppress his arrogance.
  • Dragon Ball Z:
    • Kid Buu might count as well while almost every major villain in Dragon Ball Z threatens to blow up the Planet they're on to kill the heroes, Buu is the only one who actually does it before fighting the heroes and without announcing first. The "might" comes from the fact that Kid Buu seems to be lacking in intellect; he just goes off of his chaotic instincts of destroying everything he sees.
    • Because he was made up of the cells of Vegeta and other pure blooded Saiyans such as Goku, Raditz and Nappa, Cell knew that Vegeta's greatest weakness is his pride and that a Saiyan would be willing to go to great lengths for good battle because they love a challenge and love to fight. Semi-Perfect Cell then uses that weakness to manipulate Vegeta by telling him that if he had the chance to reach his perfect form he would become a worthy adversary, and he claims that Vegeta would be no match for him. Vegeta falls for it and helps Cell achieve his perfect form.
    • In a filler scene in the Cell arc, Goku is on the hunt for the dragonballs again, and finds one of them held by his old foe Mercenary Tao. Tao knows full well he doesn't have a prayer of defeating Goku in a fight... but he does know that Goku isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. So he makes a deal: if Goku can figure out a few wire puzzles before dawn of the next day, he gets the dragonball. Goku, good sport that he is, accepts, while Tao uses the opportunity to get as far away as possible just in case he lost his bet. Unfortunately for Tao, Goku is able to undo the wire puzzles in time, and thanks to his new instant transmission ability, takes the dragonball anyway.
    • And of course, Goku himself shows a moment of this when he asks Gohan to fight Cell in his place, solely to let his own son get backed into a corner and invoke Unstoppable Rage since Gohan's rampages are among the scariest in the whole story. Piccolo is quick to point out how dangerous and cruel this is, and Goku goes My God, What Have I Done? upon realising the implications.
  • Fullmetal Alchemist
    • Edward Elric shows great perception throughout the manga, like realizing that he can imitate the attack of the enemy or realizing that pressing the enemy's Berserk Button actually helps in a battle, or that a shadow monster doesn't exist without light, etc.
    • Got a villain who can transmute his skin into an invulnerable material? No problem! Transmute that armor-skin into something else, and THEN stab him!
    • In the same manga (and Brotherhood anime), Roy Mustang, who knows How To Survive A War Movie, loses his cool in a flashback to the Ishvalan War when his buddy Maes gets all excited about a letter from his girlfriend Gracia. Maes survives the war, though he does not learn from his mistakes.
  • GaoGaiGar:
    • Both heroes and villains show various moments of Genre Savviness that it seems like they were trying to outdo each other! Guy punches a Zondar in the face a moment after it regenerates its face instead of staring at it in shock, numerous Zondar tend to try to attack Guy during his Transformation Sequence, 3G's had backup protocols for lack of the Final Fusion program, etc.
  • GoLion:
    • The first Beast Fighter fought (what Americans would know as Voltron) was extremely Genre Savvy, being the only monster in the series that was smart enough to attack the separate lion robots before they could combine.
  • Gundam Build Fighters:
    • One of the protagonists' Mid Season Upgrades is a beam absorption shield that does pretty much exactly what it sounds like. It gets used in one battle in the World Tournament to great effect... and then never really gets a chance to shine again because all of their opponents either stop using beam weapons against them or make it a priority to destroy the shield first. As one would expect of world-class competitors.
  • JoJo's Bizarre Adventure
    • Dio Brando from Part 3 gets into Dangerously Genre-Savvy territory, as he usually does not take chances when it comes to his known weaknesses (he's a vampire, after all). For example, instead of throwing one knife (which he knows the hero can block), Dio stops time and throws about 10 to 20 knives in succession so that he can't possibly block them all. After that, the scene plays out like this: Jotaro is lying on the ground, apparently dead. Dio first listens for breathing. Then he moves closer and listens for a heartbeat. Jotaro first holds his breath, and then uses his Stand to keep his own heart from beating. So then Dio decides to grab a stop sign from the street corner and decapitate Jotaro, just to be sure. And later, just to be really, really sure, he drops a steamroller on him. Is it any wonder that this guy is one of the most beloved anime villains of all time?
    • On the heroic side, Jotaro shows signs of this during the battle against Akira Otoishi. He forces his opponent to switch to plan B by correctly guessing his entire strategy before they even started fighting, including any bluffs and gambits that Akira might employ given the current situation.
    • Every time something strange happens around them, Jotaro and co immediately jump to the conclusion that it must be an enemy Stand. They're always right.
    • Another Big Bad, Yoshikage Kira, is Dangerously Genre-Savvy to the point where he's downright paranoid!
    • You'd expect that fictional Nazis, after having found a millenia-old super-vampire, would immediately attempt to bend it to their will, only to suffer horrible Karmic Deaths. Instead, they realize that said vampire is far beyond their control, and lock it up while they research and experiment to find a way to kill it...only to suffer horrible deaths anyway.
    • At the beginning of Battle Tendency, Speedwagon finds one of the Pillar Men, surrounded by stone masks, trapped and comatose, but still alive. He calls his most powerful friend, Straights, to the site because he has no interest in studying it or its origins but only wants Straights to kill it before it wakes up. A sound plan, if not for Straights betraying him.
  • Junjou Romantica
    • Misaki Takahashi, to his eternal despair. He knows very well what Usami would want as a present.
—>Usami: "You." —>Misaki: (internally) "I knew it was me!"
  • Kill la Kill:
    • Ryuko realizes before her fight with Hoka that he's the Awesomeness by Analysis kind of combatant who would analyze her moves to figure out how to dodge them, and thus adopts a more reckless and unpredictable style to try and throw him off.
  • Lupin III: Travels of Marco Polo – Another Page:
    • Zenigata utilizes serial fiction genre savviness. When Lupin is captured, he attempts to rip off the mask to reveal it isn't Lupin, because Lupin isn't that easy to catch. Subverted when it turns out to actually be Lupin. And then played straight again when Lupin breaks himself and Bao Long out of prison.
  • Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha:
    • Hayate Yagami not only Jumped at the Call after witnessing the Wolkenritter and hearing their story, but she designed their costume-like Barrier Jackets. Having people recognizable as family probably helped too (she's an orphan).
  • Maison Ikkoku:
    • Normally, Kyoko tends to think the worst of Godai when it comes to other women. The exception being schoolgirl Ibuki Yagami, who has an (unreturned) crush on Godai-sensei. Nothing that she tries fazes Kyoko the least (Godai isn't so lucky). Kyoko's late husband was one of her teachers and she knows that story inside and out.
  • Mazinger Z:
    • The Professor Gennosuke Yumi was pretty Genre Savvy. For example, he made sure they got spare parts for Mazinger-Z ready to be used in case of an emergency (during one battle Mazinger had lost his fists and they launched spare Rocket Punches at its location to help Kouji). In another episode three workers of the Institute disappeared but he did not really believe they were dead because their bodies were not found. And he memorized the plans for the Jet Scrander in case of they were stolen (and indeed, they were).
  • Naruto:
    • Pain is most certainly this. Unlike every other villain in the entire manga, he doesn't take the time to explain or brag about all of his abilities, drastically improving his effectiveness. Several people die just trying to figure out what he can do. It isn't until his abilities are discovered through old fashioned trial and error that anyone is even slightly effective against him.
  • One Piece:
    • Zoro and Nami were this in the Whiskey Peak arc. They were suspicious of the townspeople of Whiskey Peak and why they were so friendly and accommodating to any arriving pirate crew, so they faked being drunk (helped by their inhumanly high alcohol tolerance) to see what the townspeople were up to. And they were right; the townspeople were Bounty Hunters waiting to trap unsuspecting pirates. In contrast, Luffy, Usopp and Sanji didn't suspect a thing.
    • Lawful Good antagonist Smoker is this, shown at the very latest during his first post-Time Skip appearance. When a group of pirates that came up from Fishman Island mention that they were held prisoner by a group of evil pirates, but were saved thanks to another group of pirates, Smoker knows before they even tell him that it was the Straw Hats. That could be attributed to the fact that he knew they were back and knew of their current position, but the next action of his is this trope to a T: there are three possible islands that the Straw Hats could go to upon leaving Fishman Island. Smoker goes to wait for them at the most dangerous one, because he knows that that's where Luffy will go.
  • Pokémon
    • Pokémon Hunter J could be this. She's the only villain that hasn't been arrested or beaten voluntarily. In the two-parter Riolu episode, she is removed from the plot after delivering her quarry, then, when Ash and Company show up, she tells her henchman that they have their money, and they depart, leaving the client to be arrested.
      • She's also one of the few villains of the show to use the expedient of attacking the Kid with the Leash, rather than the mons themselves. This forces them to scramble for defense and throws them off their game. She is furthermore completely unaverse to directly trying to kill Ash.
    • In one episode, an Officer Jenny manages to instantly defeat the poacher that, earlier, has beat Team Rocket to a pulp...by having her Growlithe steal the poacher's Pokéball containing his Tyranitar, completely bypassing the need for a Pokémon battle. A very rare occurrence in the anime.
  • Pokemon Special:
    • A particular Galactic mook notes the fact that anyone who comes across a Pokedex will play a key role in a major, region-wide battle involving legendary Pokemon. In other words, he knows who the main characters are in the story.
      • Subverted, though. Said Galactic Mook is under control from Sird, who has fought and seen fights with the Pokedex holders and knows that they are often involved a lot. That said, this makes Sird very Genre Savvy herself.
  • Reiko the Zombie Shop:
    • The titular character Reiko Himezono is genre savvy in that she's very competent at her job and is intimately familiar with the things that could go wrong, such as a resurrected zombie going berserk if the person responsible for their death is nearby, knowing that said zombie would not attack a complete stranger for no reason, and carrying around a tape recorder with pre-recorded chants with her if something goes wrong. The latter proves handy when she crosses paths with psychotic child murderer Saki Yurikawa and has her throat slit. Reiko anticipated something like that would happen and switched on a recording of her standard resurrection chant beforehand, zombifying herself in order to personally deal with Yurikawa. She gets better in the next volume, though.
  • Spirited Away:
    • It could be chalked up as childish fear, but Chihiro immediately knows that something is wrong with the abandoned amusement park she and her parents had stumbled upon, as well as eating food that doesn't belong to them.
  • Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann:
    • Rossiu was very savvy as the rest of the cast fell for the hot springs trap.
    • Simon becomes rather Genre Savvy in the last two arcs, recognizing that they've always snatched victory at the last second from the jaws of defeat merely by being sheer bloody-minded Determinators, in stark contrast to Rossiu who thinks things like "plans" and "logic" have any effect in a universe governed by the Rule of Cool. Kamina has the same mindset before Simon, but this is less to do with being Genre Savvy than it does Kamina being the kind to charge in without a plan. Fanboys try to ignore all the times this didn't really work.
  • Yu-Gi-Oh!: Capsule Monsters:
    • Téa is well aware that the group often runs into trouble, and hopes things will be normal on their vacation. They aren't.
  • Yu-Gi-Oh! GX
—>Adrian: I activate my trap cards! —>Chazz: What, but how!? —>Adrian: Simple, I call out their names dramatically and they rise up!

    Anime/Manga Keep 
The legitimate examples that make reference to some source of meta knowledge

  • A Certain Magical Index:
    • Various characters point out certain things, including making references to dating sims when talking about Touma's harem, among other ways.
  • Bleach:
    • Ginjou knows what the expected stereotypes are for shounen villains and therefore deliberately invokes them to make Ichigo feels as though his life is on the line to obtain the power-up he desperately needs.
  • Daily Lives of High School Boys:
    • Hidenori is quite savvy in gaming tropes, and in some cases, tropes in anime storytelling (such as Comic-Book Time or Late for School).
    • Yanagin at least aware of gender perceptions as portrayed during the previous decade's fiction.
    • Yanagin's sempai, at the very least, knowing most girls in last decade's fiction are ditzy to an extreme.
  • Deadline Summonner:
    • Mamoru Onodera, the main character, was a video game obsessed Otaku before getting sucked into an RPG. He is very much aware of how the world works and how to avoid getting seriously injured and/or killed. Not that the universe allows him to, though.
  • High School Dx D:
    • Nearly everyone is at least at some level of this. It's to the point where Azazel and the Maous outline the motivations of the Hero Faction in video game terms.
    • Sairaorg is well aware of Issei's Determinator and Chivalrous Pervert behaviors and uses this to snap the Occult Research Club out of a Heroic BSoD after Issei dies. By pointing out that Issei wouldn't stay dead because he hasn't had sex with Rias yet.
    • Azazel manages to motivate Issei into fighting harder by pointing out that Vali's Half Dimension attack can halve the size of Rias's breasts.
  • The Lucifer And Biscuit Hammer:
    • Amamiya Yuuhi displayed a large amount of dating sim genre savviness on multiple occasions. One occasion during which he specifically chose to walk in on Asahina changing, knowing this type of situation usually engenders "special events".
    • At another time, instead of opening the door onto a changing girl, he felt accomplished instead, by having a girl walk in on him naked as a "special event"
    • Sami also remarks, at a certain point when Yuuhi suddenly grabs her face in during a dream that, had this been a romantic comedy, he'd have grabbed her boobs instead of her head.
    • During the final fight of the manga, Mikazuki realizes that final dramatic fights must be ended with a one-on-one Cross Counter or a Single-Stroke Battle or similarly dramatic mutual 'final technique', and charges up for a final super punch with a ludicrously long and awesome name. When Yuuhi moves in to oblige him, Mikazuki kicks him in the face instead and wins the match.
  • The World God Only Knows:
    • Keima is an internet-famous genius when it comes to Dating Sims, so when Hell has a problem with evil spirits hiding inside schoolgirls—where making them fall in love is the only way to exorcise them — they call him. And despite Keima's dislike of real girls, it works.
    • You can tell from early on when he's able to point out the local rich girl is a tsundere because she has cat eyes, light hair, a visible forehead and twintails. He's a little disappointed that she's not short to make it perfect, but then Elsee points out she's also wearing high heels.
    • "A stranger appearing in a time of crisis is 100% SUSPICIOUS!!"

    Anime/Manga Unsure (Keep for now) 
Don't know about these, some might count, some might not, and some of these might need to be moved to different tropes

  • Bizenghast:
    • Edaniel comes to after being knocked out, and looks for the others, who have managed to get lost. Edaniel claims that he "knew this would happen."
—->Might be meta knowledge, might be real world experience
  • Bleach:
    • Ichigo is well aware the villains regard him as a good candidate for the Breaking Speech. He's sick to the back teeth of it and isn't beyond telling them so. The anime tends to combine this with No Fourth Wall for certain filler episodes by putting Ichigo into the role of Only Sane Man for comedy purposes. He can tell what's going to happen based on the genre and sometimes even questions who on earth has been writing the episode.
—->Not sure if this is meta knoledge or not, it might fit better on the No Fourth Wall page as well —->Might be meta knowledge, might be real world experience —->Might be meta knowledge, might be real world experience —->First example sounds more like Wrong Genre Savvy, the second might count
  • Genshiken:
    • Most of the characters are major, major otaku and therefore genre savvy, but share Konata's affliction of being unable to tell exactly what kind of anime they're in. Most of the guys seem to visualise life as a dating sim, and beat themselves up about it when they realise it.
—->most likely an example of Wrong Genre Savvy
  • Haruhi Suzumiya:
    • The title character sees everything in terms of TV and anime tropes, even where they might not otherwise have been. She borders between being a wrong and being an accurate Genre Savvy. Since she is an all-powerful Reality Warper with unstoppable willpower, she actually makes herself become accurate.
    • Koizumi himself is a Genre Savvy character too, using it to his advantage to convince Haruhi of certain things. Sometimes it does work, sometimes it backfires at him.
    • Kyon also is a pretty Genre Savvy guy, usually expressing it with snarky remarks.
—->most likely an example of Wrong Genre Savvy —->either an example of No Fourth Wall or Wrong Genre Savvy —->not sure if this is Genre Savvy as the work in question that the characters know is not fictional in-universe
  • Inazuma Eleven:
    • The anime tends to portray Megane this way sometimes, although he usually fails at trying to use it to his advantage. On one occasion, he starts with an annoyed rant in the middle of a soccer match, and gets even more annoyed when an opponent tries to steal the ball from him in mid-speech, because Talking Is Supposed To Be A Free Action.
—>Megane: How dare you attack in the middle of a stirring lecture or a fusion! As a robot otaku, you fail! —->not sure if this is a close enough reference to count
  • Kannagi:
    • Akiba Meguru, being a "self-conscious akiba-freak", is Genre Savvy to the extreme, even recognizing that Mikuriya Jin for what he is:
—> 'If this is a comic, you are the main character!' —->not sure if the character is actually Genre Savvy or is being sarcastic/Leaning on the Fourth Wall —->probably is Wrong Genre Savvy
  • Mahou Sensei Negima
    • The "library girls", quite understandably, read a lot of books... which means they're quite willing to accept the idea that their teacher is secretly a wizard. In particular, Paru (Saotome Haruna, herself supposed to be an amateur manga artist!) is all too willing to participate in cliche storylines.
—>Paru: But mostly I want to help because IT SOUNDS LIKE A BLAST!
—->The first couple examples might count, but the last few probably don't
  • Oh! Edo Rocket
    • Because the show has No Fourth Wall, some of the characters are genre savvy. For example, in the English version, there is a point where Tetsuju falls off a hovering space ship and crashes to the floor of a rocky canyon. Sora then assures Seikichi, "Don't worry, he'll be fine. He's the comic relief!"
      • Shinza says the same thing about himself after he narrowly escapes being arrested and is nearly sliced in half inside his hiding place. "Good thing I'm the comic relief!"
—->Sould probably be moved to No Fourth Wall —->This examples sounds really generic. Can someone confirm if this is really Genre Savvy or not?
  • Pokémon
    • In addition to frequent Medium Awareness, Team Rocket are particularly genre savvy, especially regarding their own role. They know they are the bad guys, they know they are there to harass the good guys, and they know they suck at it. Why do they go on? Because it's what they do.
—->Should move to Medium Awareness if this example isn't already there
  • School Rumble
    • Akira is the only one who actually understands the Love Dodecahedron, even using that knowledge to manipulate people. As demonstrated in the Beach Episode, where a naked Harima winds up grappling a bikini-clad Eri, not only is Akira fully aware that it's Not What It Looks Like instead of jumping to the obvious conclusion, she is also capable of explaining in great detail exactly what happened.
—->not sure if this is a close enough reference to count or that this isn't from normal experiance —>Hagemaru: Hey, Kaka, don't sneeze like this while you're naked or the censor guys will cut the scene!
Hagemaru: I can do anything, I'm the hero of this series! —->not sure if this should stay here or be moved to Medium Awareness —>Hell King Bass: Kill all the women and children in case one of the women gives birth to a child and he grows up to be a hero or something.
Dragon King Drum: Ain't that always a bitch? —->Might be meta knowledge, might be real world experience

edited 3rd Mar '15 10:17:16 AM by ObsidianFire

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#119: Mar 3rd 2015 at 10:22:12 AM

Hmm there are quite a few I recognize in the cut part that would actually be examples but phrasing in the entries are just horrible and misleading.

Stuff like Kyon in Haruhi and Chisame in Negima are Meta Guy and those entries don't even make sense.

I can go more indepth after work.

edited 3rd Mar '15 10:26:16 AM by Memers

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#120: Mar 3rd 2015 at 10:25:55 AM

[up]Feel free to take a look at it. Some of the examples as they are need to be reworded anyway...

ObsidianFire Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#121: Mar 3rd 2015 at 11:20:02 AM

Nearly all the misuse on the GenreSavvy.Comic Books page seems to come from people miscategorizing Seen It All as Genre Savvy. Given the medium, there's also a lot of examples No Fourth Wall that should be checked. Folders detailing changes are below.

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    Comic Books - cut 
Most of these are cut because there is no mention made of meta knowledge, just that the characters are acting savvy. If specific examples are added, some of them might qualify as actually being Genre Savvy. A lot of these are examples of Seen It All.

—>Spider-Man: The Savage Land is a land that time forgot under the earth with dinosaurs, mutates and a surprising amount of acceptable nudity. —>Spider-Woman: Really? —>Spider-Man: Yeah, but it won't matter if we die in the crash. —>Spider-Woman: What crash? —>Spider-Man: You don't go to the Savage Land without crashing.
  • Spider-Man routinely teams up with Wolverine. During their section of the latest Marvel Team-Up series, Peter makes a quip about the fact that they start brawling every time they meet. Every time. Even though they have teamed up many times and know each other socially. And they were most likely teammates on The Avengers at the time. This may stem from their rather rocky relationship with one another, made clear in their first encounter, or from Wolverine's habit of hitting on Mary Jane, but still…
—>Peter Parker: I know you guys are gettin' ready to go back to the 30th century an' all, but I've been wonderin' — Where's Nikki?
Vance Astro: "Nikki" who?
Peter Parker: Oh wait, I know this one too. You're the Guardians before Nikki joined the team, right? You haven't even won your war in the future yet, right? Earth's still in danger? So you're looking for a way to... let's see... no, not clone, don't even say the word "clone"... No, you want to mutate and empower the people of Earth so that they can defend themselves against some alien invaders, right? An' that's why you're here.
(cue Vance and StarHawk's totally shocked faces)
Peter Parker: (absolutely nonchalantly) Really, it's not that hard... when you're doing this as long as I have, it's kind of difficult to be surprised by a twist like that anymore.
  • He does this again later when he sees his daughter, who is a Venom host, attacked by Spider-Girl and is approached by a bunch of people from alternate dimensions. He figures that this is a typical misunderstanding fight and once the girls realize what's going on they'll start hugging each other, crying and talking how they always wanted to have a sister and he will have to live with both of them from now on.
  • The new Star Trek comic book series, which picks up the adventures of the crew right after the last episode of the original series, has the characters showing they've gained some Genre Savvy.
    • After being stunned and thrown in a cell, McCoy is surprised to see Kirk pull a small phaser out of his boot and blast the door. McCoy asks when he started carrying a hidden weapon. "You get knocked out and thrown into a cell enough, you start to take precautions."
    • After returning to the ship at the end of another issue, Kirk asks Spock how he knew to adjust the shields in anticipation of an attack. Spock replies by giving the percentage of times the ship has been attacked after losing communications with Kirk.
  • The DCU's Infectious Lass in "Architecture & Mortality". For example: "That's what we learned in the future about team-ups. First you fight..."
  • There was a Justice League storyline where they were investigating a series of unlikely events, and as usual the JLA were scattered across the world dealing with different problems. This exchange happens:
—>Big Barda: Where's Batman? Who was with him last? —>Superman: Oh, right, you're new. You really expected him to work together with someone. —>Plastic Man: Batman? Isn't this fight kind of beyond his means? Wouldn't he just slow us down? —>Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner): Heh, listen to the other new guy. We need Batman to explain what the hell's going on!
  • The Amory Wars/Coheed and Cambria storyline's villain, the Trimage Wilhelm Ryan, sort of does this when addressing his robotic general, Mayo Deftinwulf:
—>"There is no room for mistakes, Mayo — nor young ones' vendettas!"
  • Used in Uncanny X-Men # 254 when an alien fleet is about to attack Earth in a parody of DC Comics' Invasion. Then a nameless researcher turns up the fact that Earth has fought off Skrulls and Badoon, repelled attacks from Galactus multiple times, is the home to Galactus's herald and the Phoenix, etc. His conclusion: "We're doomed!" They are.
    • Happened again in S.W.O.R.D. - Abigail Brand avoids alien invasion by pointing out to aliens how many powerful individuals live on Earth, starting with Beta Ray Bill, who recently had beaten Galactus, and how many alien invasions they repelled. Aliens do the right thing and go back home.
    • Happened as a Funny Background Event in another comic when the invading force heads to Earth, someone realizes where they're headed, the fleet immediately decides to go anywhere else.
  • Similarly, in one Blue Beetle story, a group of would-be invaders are talking to each other about the beings on Earth. When one reports that the Earth houses not only two Kryptonians, but also multiple Green Lanterns, one turns to the other and goes, "Maybe we should rethink this invasion thing."
  • In JLA: Year One this was actually the main cause of the alien invasion; when an alien warlord sent his greatest warriors to a 'distant mudball' for a battle to decide the new ruler, they were defeated by local superheroes before the fighting even began. He decided that Earthlings were too great a potential threat to remain alive.
  • An Incredible Hulk example: Bruce Banner, having been permanently stopped from turning into the Hulk — and having had his condition confirmed by several of the finest scientific minds in the Marvel Universe — starts planning for the Hulk's return. As Banner himself says, "the Hulk always returns".
    • Hulk himself demonstrates a decent amount of savvy in the Planet Hulk storyline, first when the rebels try to recruit him;
—>Hulk: You don't get it, do you? Puny pinkies, just like puny humans. First they call you a monster. Then they want you to save them. Then they call you a monster again.
  • And then later when Caiera is trying to convince him to surrender to the Red King;
—>Caiera: He'd kill millions to get to you. —>Hulk: He'd kill 'em anyway.
  • In Joss Whedon's run on Astonishing X-Men, Kitty Pryde confronts Colossus;
—>Shadowcat: You have to know that if you're a clone or robot or, yeah, a ghost or an alternate universe thingie, I can deal, ...but if you are some shapeshifter or illusionist who's just watching me twist I will kill you and I will kill you with an axe so right away just prove it, say something, show me something, I can't ... —>Colossus: Katya ... —>Shadowcat: You died! Piotr Rasputin died and I know this because I carried his ashes to Russia and scattered them myself! —>Colossus: You did? ... Thank you.
  • Scrooge McDuck has outwitted several plots against him because Paper Thin Disguises don't fool him, he knows something's wrong when everything goes too smoothly, and he remembers when Donald Duck tried similar schemes before.
  • Volt, from Mark Waid's Irredeemable, is well aware that as an electric black superhero he is basically cannon fodder. He turns out to be right.
    • Being Genre Savvy is the main motivation behind Max Damage's Heel–Face Turn - he is well aware that with Plutonian, the Earth's strongest champion, turning into a mass murderer, and the average threats a typical superhero universe has to face every week, without a new protector humanity is doomed. He is also aware he has no idea how to be a superhero so he gathers several people to serve him as moral guides.
    • Plutonian himself proves to be Genre Savvy when his former enemies want to join him. He gives each one of them a button and says that pressing it will render him completely powerless and vulnerable to any attack. They all press it before he even can finish the sentence. He then informs them that they just triggered the auto-destruction mechanism of the facility they're in.
  • The US Government seems to have acquired some Genre Savvy in the Superman books of the last few years, establishing a high-tech military unit specifically trained and equipped to take down Superman. Out of paranoia, or fear that he'll try to conquer the world? Nope. Out of recognition that he gets mind-controlled by villains about twice a month. Superman, being Superman, agrees that this unit is a good idea.
    • Same reason he gave Batman a kryptonite ring (not that Batman needed it, he just added it to his secret stockpile)
  • In Omaha the Cat Dancer everything is ready for the big party, but the guests don't start arriving until Omaha and Shelley realize they have forgotten to do "the secret chant". It goes "It's going to be a disaster. Nobody's going to come." As soon as they finish, the doorbell rings.
  • In the Batman comic A Death in the Family, after Batman chases the Joker onto a helicopter, shoots up said helicopter in the ensuing fight, then jumps out into the Gotham river, the helicopter crashes and explodes magnificently with the Joker still in it. However, when Superman swoops down to rescue Batman, Batman just frantically yells at Superman to find the Joker's body, knowing that such a death means that the Joker is probably still alive. Obviously, he's right.
  • Superman lays a hilarious smackdown on the Ultramarines for engaging in a fight using deadly, efficient, well-planned, logical tactics; because they get their asses almost killed due their lack of savviness about how the DCU's earth works and forces the Justice League to bail them out with standard ridiculous Crazy Awesome comic book heroics.
—>Superman: "Your so-called 'no-nonsense solutions' just don't hold water in a world of jet-powered apes and Time Travel."
  • Superman being Genre Savvy might also provide some Fridge Brilliance to the Clark Kenting trope: in comics, unlike real life, Opaque Nerd Glasses have blank white Opaque Lenses that actually do * In War Machine's series, called Iron Man 2.0, James Rhodes is hired to find out how a scientist was able to smuggle his invention out of a secure facility and supply them to terrorists after he committed suicide, especially when he was kept in isolation without any outside phone or internet access during his contract. Both Rhodes and the security team he's working with display a frightening amount of genre savvy, almost to the point of Lampshade Hanging the Fantasy Kitchen Sink aspect of the Marvel Universe. Observe the following (paraphrased) conversation:
—>James Rhodes: "Maybe this guy was getting his mind read or sending out telepathic transmissions somehow." —>Security Consultant: "We have Reed Richards and Tony Stark sweep for telepathic transmissions." —>Rhodes: "Maybe he's a mutant." —>Consultant: "Four times a year, the feds take over Cerebro and sweep to make sure people in sensitive positions aren't concealing mutant powers." —>Rhodes: "I feel stupid for saying this, but could he be a ghost?" —>Consultant: "We consulted with Doctor Strange and he didn't detect any spirits or astral forms."
  • In the Night Raven series, the police led by Detective Nolan set about trying to determine Night Raven's identity, and went through various files trying to find suspects based on people who had reason to have a grudge against criminals. note 
  • Thorgal at one point becomes quite genre savvy - one problem after another keeps threatening his family and he decides that his Weirdness Magnet status is too dangerous for his family, so he leaves them until he'll find a way to undo it. It backfires horribly. Later he tries to find new, safe place for his family to live on the south, but after three adventures he realizes that all kinds of mystical crazyness, remants of advanced cultures and plain old cruelty are everywhere, so they can as well just return to their home village. There is also his initial dislike of greedy and power craving people - he had seen too many of them become tyrants and dying horribly to not know how this will end.
  • In Death of the Family,
    • Damian is smart enough to realize that Joker is very good at turning people's words into weapons to use against them. So he declares, "I have nothing to say that would help you manipulate me, clown." Unfortunately, it caused Joker to go into a rant about the term "clown", but at least Damian tried to be careful.
    • Joker himself in this story is genre savvy enough to know most common reasons given by both Batman and his fans as an explanation to why Bruce refuses to kill him, and then tear them apart. He also gets a neat little speech debunking Two-Face's "the coin landed right-side up, so he lets them live" trope, and he's ultimately Dangerously Genre-Savvy enough to manipulate everyone to the point that he's able to break the Bat-Family apart at the end of the story, thus accomplishing his goal.
    • It's worth mentioning Batman's new reason for not killing the Joker: he honestly believes that Gotham would just bring the Joker back again, or someone worse'd show up.
  • Iznogoud: Wa'at Alaaf, Iznogoud's henchman, has long since realised that Iznogoud will be Hoist by His Own Petard. One story has him going on a quest for an unknown item as soon as Iznogoud devises a plan for turning the Caliph into a statue; the item is revealed at the end to be a commemorative plaque in Iznogoud's memory, that Wa'at applies under the statue his master has become.
  • In Uncanny X-Men and All-New X-Men, Maria Hill would really like the X Men to stop messing with time by going back and forward, by coming back and forward, and bringing others back and forward, because she knows that it keeps causing even more problems.

    Comic Books - Keep 
The legitimate examples that make reference to some source of meta knowledge.

  • In the Marvel Comics 2 universe, Genre Savvy is yet another skill Peter passes on to his daughter May. Much of the witty banter that goes down during her fights consist of describing the comic book tropes they're supposed to be following.
  • In an issue of Marvel Adventures, at the end of a Let's You and Him Fight Spidey says, "It was a textbook superhero misunderstanding battle. Happens all the time! Luckily, this is the part where we make up for it by working together to stop her."
    • This actually happens a lot. Nocturne in Exiles refers to that as an "unwritten rule of superhero team ups" and Robbie from Nova is disappointed that Darkhawk and his brother didn't do this.
    • Played for Drama when Red Hulk goes up against Ikaris of the Eternals. The prevalence of Let's You and Him Fight is a factor in confirming Ikaris' worst opinions of the Marvel Universe's heroes.
  • Zombies Calling by Faith Erin Hicks is built around the main character being savvy to the "rules" of zombie movies.
  • In Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons' Watchmen, Adrian Veidt, aka Ozymandias, declares that he is not a villain from a Republic Films serial and therefore had already completed his plan 35 minutes before beginning his Breaking Speech.
    • Also, referring to his first meeting with the Comedian (where they fought before realizing they were on the same team), Adrian comments on how common a misunderstanding this is in their chosen profession. This is a reference particularly to Marvel heroes, who will ALWAYS battle EACH OTHER upon first meeting.
  • In The Sandman, Morpheus is possibly one of the most genre savvy entities in the whole universe. As the Prince of Stories, he knows that life literally imitates art (and vice versa) and is more than capable of controlling it. While teaming up with John Constantine to enter a house haunted by renegade dreams, Constantine shows some genre savviness himself, recalling what happens to people in horror movies when they split up. He asks Morpheus for reassurance that they'll stick together.
  • In Avengers: The Initiative issue 21, Gorilla Girl and Batwing have the following conversation:
—>Batwing: Where are you headed, Gorilla Girl?
Gorilla Girl: Home. I asked them to put me in the reserves, and they did.
Batwing: But you did such a good job against the Skrulls!
Gorilla Girl: Yeah, Batwing... and I came out alive, which is practically a miracle. I turn into a gorilla, I'm black, I'm female, and nobody's ever heard of me. I might as well have "Cannon Fodder" stamped on my forehead. You can keep pushing your luck if you want, but I'm getting out while I'm still in one piece. Vaya con dios, kids.
  • Later in the issue, she completely ignores her own advice, not due to any Idiot Ball interaction, but because it's the right thing to do, earning her a Crowning Moment Of Awesome.
  • In Uncanny X-Men # 143, Kitty Pryde declares: "If this was a movie, the monster would be waiting right outside the door, ready to bite my head off the moment I show myself."
—>Kitty (sitting at the computers): And then nothing. Look, the whole board rolled over and died. —>Colossus: It could be nothing, Katya. —>Kitty: It doesn't feel like nothing, Petey. I can't raise Scott's team either. I even pinged Cable in Providence, and guess what? More deafening silence. —>Colossus: Do you want me to take Blackbird Two and rendezvous with Scott and the others? —>Kitty: You mean 'split up'? Some day I've got to sit you down in front of some good horror movies, babe.
  • In Return To Wonderland, Calie is nearly raped by The Mad Hatter, but she gets the upper hand and knocks him out. She declares that she will not repeat the mistake that girls usually make in horror movies (knocking out the bad guy, then leaving the room), and continues the beatdown on Hatter until pretty much all of his bones are broken. It doesn't stop him from coming back. The inhabitants of Wonderland are eternal and eventually reappear every time they die, but Calie didn't know that.
  • In Ultimate Spider Man, Bolivar Trask demonstrates this when he asks if the stasis field in the lab he's in can contain Venom. When he's told that it can, he says that he's seen King Kong, and so will be leaving.

    Comic Books - Unsure(Should be Moved) 
Don't know about these, some might count, some might not, and some of these might need to be moved to different tropes.

  • Ambush Bug is not only extremely Genre Savvy, he also loves breaking down the Fourth Wall, and the Fifth, Sixth and Seventh Walls, just in case.
—>no example of how he's Genre Savvy, should be moved to No Forth Wall if he's not already there
  • Likewise, Deadpool displays a similar amount of Genre Savvy, though for a different reason — because of the inoperable brain tumor that ultimately, through Super Science, led to his healing factor, he also has No Fourth Wall.
    • Actually Deadpool's Genre Savvy is slightly different in that he is actually completely and totally aware of the fact that he is a comic book character. He can see and even respond directly to the the Narrator's and his own Speech/Thought bubbles. Unlike She-Hulk, Wade doesn't particularly hide this ability and as result, most "normal" denizens of the Marvel Universe simply think he's insane.
—>should be moved to No Forth Wall if he's not already there —>should probably be moved to No Forth Wall if he's not already there
  • In Marvel's The Incredible Hercules series, Hercules is aware that as a figure of myth, he is trapped in endlessly repeating patterns that he cannot escape from, as they are a part of his essential being. Of course, he also routinely has flashbacks to assorted contradictory incidents, which he accepts with equanimity, as these are also part and parcel of being 'mythic'. This would mildly backfire at one point, when Hercules was presented with a situation of comparing his recent partners to companions in the past, such as individual Argonauts. When he comes to who Amadeus Cho is like... "No idea."
    • This is partially because Cho is Athena's attempt to replace Hercules and thus naturally doesn't fit into the patterns he's used to.
    • This later came up when he gave a thumbs up to Amadeus for "scoring" with the Amazonian princess, unaware that Amadeus had found out that the (main) reason for her interest was due to her believing him to be being Hercules' eromenos... and Amadeus was all too aware of what that term meant.
    • Cho himself has gained some Genre Savviness, after reading a book by Athena called The Hero's Journey.
    • Guardian from the Alpha Flight run by The Incredible Hercules writing duo shows similar traits. Upon being attacked by his wife and teammate, Vindicator, the first explanations that come to his mind are brainwashing, alien impostor and robot duplicate.
—>is it Genre Savvy if something fictional In Real Life isn't in-universe? also, this looks like an extreme example of Seen It All
  • In the final two issues of Alias, the Purple Man actually scripts the comic as he speaks and makes references to main character Jessica Jones having to please her fanbase.
—>looks more like an example of No Fourth Wall then Genre Savvy to me —>move to No Fourth Wall if it isn't already there
  • In an early Post Crisis comic, Mr. Mxyzptlk traps Superman in a Saturday Morning Cartoon world. Superman has little trouble with most of his tormentors — after "Frankie Fieldstone" hits him with a club, Superman just picks him up and drops him into a tar pit. But Supes meets his match when attacked by the flying, caped "Marvy Mouse", who's faster and stronger than he is. In a sudden attack of Genre Savvy, Superman reaches into his cape pouch and, to Marvy Mouse's horror, pulls out Streaky the Super-Cat!
—>Don't know if this is being Genre Savvy or not
  • In GREEN ARROW #129, the Russian mob boss kills his own subordinate Sharaf just as he's about to shoot Connor Hawke, because he knows that an ordinary mob boss like him would not be allowed to enjoy such a 'victory' for long:
—>Sharaf: Don't you know that heroes are for children's stories? In the real world you live or you die. The only victory is survival!
Boss: Then you lose, Sharaf. You bring worse than the law to my door. You lead an American superhero to me, with questions about you and threats to me.
Sharaf: But I have him here, pakhan!note  He will trouble us no more!
Boss: These masked men have friends. Friends that move planets, and fly like gods. Kill him and I next will have Superman pulling me from my car. As the Americans say, "Adios, mi amigo". —>Don't know if this is Wrong Genre Savvy or not

edited 3rd Mar '15 11:27:09 AM by ObsidianFire

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#122: Mar 3rd 2015 at 3:07:47 PM

Now that I'm thinking about it, those that are in the "cut" do follow The Universal Genre Savvy Guide...

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#123: Mar 4th 2015 at 12:13:09 AM

If this thread's purely about the cleanup now, I suggest we move it to the Short-term projects thread. After all, the Trope Repair Shop's supposed to be about discussions relating to deciding how to fix problematic tropes, not to log our cleanup efforts.

If we were still under the old system of the existence of a cap to the amount of threads open, this thread would simply take space meant for other threads.

edited 4th Mar '15 1:10:10 AM by KarjamP

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#124: Mar 4th 2015 at 7:45:31 PM

[up]x6

Ok lets see, That Gundam Build Fighters entry is more Awesomeness by Analysis from the various country champions.

However hows this?

The others umm I dont have time to do too many lets see

  • Haruhi Suzumiya:
    • The title character sees everything in terms of TV and anime tropes, even where they might not otherwise have been. She constantly borders between being Wrong Genre Savvy and being an accurate Genre Savvy. Since she is an all-powerful Reality Warper with unstoppable willpower, she will make events become accurate but with bad side effects. Koizomi actively tries to predict these Genre Savvy predictions and make sure they happen without Haruhi unconsciously uses powers to change the world.
      • Kyon is a pretty accurate Genre Savvy Meta Guy, however it takes a lot for him to actively use these Genre Savvy skills instead usually just expresses it with snarky remarks.

EDIT: Many of the unsure examples would probably better fit Meta Guy I believe.

edited 4th Mar '15 8:17:25 PM by Memers

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#125: Mar 4th 2015 at 7:59:05 PM

Kyon is Genre Savvy. He shows it off once in a while, but I don't remember any specific occasion.

Haruhi is mostly just Wrong Genre Savvy, and when she's right it's mostly by chance or because things happen that way after she's decided that's how they're likely to happen. I think she does display some amount of genuine Genre Savviness on occasion, though, like during the island mystery.

Chisame, another Meta Guy (or girl), is rather similar to Kyon in that regard. Doesn't usually do more than snark about it (probably also for a similar reason), but on occasion follows through.

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25th Feb '15 7:54:10 AM

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Does the inclusion of the following paragraph in the current definition of "Genre Savvy" make the trope too broad?

There are two finely-distinguished varieties of genre savvy. The first comes from being familiar with fiction. A good example of this is the Scream series, where the genre savvy characters are savvy because they've watched horror movies. The other kind comes from being a character in some sort of serial fiction, and having a good memory. For example, many modern comic book superhero characters exhibit a lot of savviness, simply because they can remember all the weird things that've happened to them, and thus are not surprised when yet another evil twin shows up.

Background information: That paragraph was added in December of 2011 with no discussion anywhere that I can find any record of.

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