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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#176: Jun 8th 2015 at 7:01:29 AM

I am certain that very littel thought goes into attacks like this. Mob violence is rarely aligned with some sort of strategy.

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Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#177: Jun 8th 2015 at 9:07:47 AM

[up] Indeed, the people who that sort of thing aren't often that bright to begin with.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#178: Jun 10th 2015 at 2:57:48 PM

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/niqab-ban-returns-as-conservative-bill-planned-for-parliament-s-final-days-1.3107975

The Canadian government is trying once again (the Supreme Court already smacked them down for this before) to ban certain types of facial coverings for citizenship ceremonies. Nevermind that this is only being done so the Tories can get more votes (this is a good issue to win votes among rabidly secular Quebecers), it's already been ruled that a verbal oath isn't needed and facial recognition isn't required because by that point a written oath has already been signed.

The BQ, to the surprise of no one still paying attention to them, have also jumped on this issue to try and win back ground from the NDP (who along with the Liberals oppose this measure), further reinforcing the fact that the Quebec independence movement is still loaded with xenophobes.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/bloc-qu%C3%A9b%C3%A9cois-anti-niqab-ad-takes-aim-at-ndp-1.2974146

edited 10th Jun '15 3:00:11 PM by Rationalinsanity

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LinkToTheFuture A real bad hombre from somewhere completely different Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#179: Jun 18th 2015 at 6:59:57 PM

I'm now suddenly glad to be leaving Quebec again.

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Elfive (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#180: Jun 19th 2015 at 10:08:20 AM

The Mexican ex-pats should band together and try to do the ceremony in luchador masks as protest.

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#181: Jun 19th 2015 at 10:47:13 AM

Amo tanto a la lucha libre...

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#182: Jun 20th 2015 at 7:12:49 AM

Why isn't suspected Charleston shooter Dylann Roof called a terrorist?

Since the attack, civil liberties groups across the country have questioned why Roof, 21, is not being described as a suspected terrorist.

Critics have charged that in cases where the suspects are Islamic extremists — like the Boston Marathon bombing or the recent attack on a Texas cartoon contest — they are labeled acts of terror. But when the suspects are white, the acts are instead treated as the result of mental illness.

The targeted church in South Carolina holds a cherished place in African-American history as a beacon for civil rights — so was likely chosen for its symbolic significance.

Elected officials have talked around the issue. Republican presidential hopeful Jeb Bush described the shooting as "an evil act of aggression" and was criticized for saying he didn't know "what was on the mind or the heart of the man who committed these atrocious crimes."

South Carolina Rep. Mark Sanford struggled with the question when asked in an interview with Yahoo News’ Bianna Golodryga if he would label Roof a terrorist.

“No, I think terror goes to the larger notion of a political agen[da]," he said. "I don’t know what the difference is. I know what he was. He’s a bad guy and he needs to be brought to justice. That’s all I know.”

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Elfive (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#183: Jun 20th 2015 at 7:31:30 AM

I suspect at least some of the people calling him mentally disturbed or whatever are just using the term as a euphemism for "A fucking loony". Which is a far more hyperbolic and less clinically rigorous term. And one that I at least would be no less willing to ascribe to any sort of terrorist.

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#184: Jun 20th 2015 at 8:09:44 AM

Amusingly enough, 'domestic terrorist' is readily used for black power activists.

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#185: Jun 20th 2015 at 8:55:59 AM

[up] I'm quite sure that internally the FBI would use the term — I think there was a report or something on the treat of Domestic Terrorism within the US, that concentrated on certain groups.

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#186: Jun 20th 2015 at 12:30:41 PM

I dotn think he was trying to influence public policy in any systematic way, or had any other political purpose in mind, so technically not a terrorist.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#187: Jun 20th 2015 at 12:34:53 PM

Well he was trying to get whites and blacks to start killing each other en masse, and that's still a political goal even if said attempt to start a race war was doomed to fail.

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Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
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#188: Jun 20th 2015 at 12:35:53 PM

[up][up]He was explicitly trying to start a race war. He spelled this out when they arrested him. That might be extragovernmental, but it's undoubtedly political.

edited 20th Jun '15 12:36:14 PM by Iaculus

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#189: Jun 20th 2015 at 4:39:16 PM

Let's keep this debate in one thread. It has nothing to do with Islamophobia.

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#190: Jun 22nd 2015 at 8:23:48 AM

It does in that there is a double standard that is biased against Muslims.

On another topic, I am concerned that I myself am becoming Islamophobic. Back in the day, I used to think of Islam's popularity in Asia as encouraging, and due to the inherent merits of a religion with a sensible monotheism and an emphasis on social justice in the face of blatantly absurd polytheisms that were designed to perpetuate and justify cruel social orders and tribal divisions.

Nowadays I think of Islamic expansion as a problem and a nuisance, a destruction of cultural patrimony, and its replacement with a violent, hegemonic, and intolerant worldview.

In fact, from here, Me From The Past seems like an asshole.

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#191: Jun 22nd 2015 at 9:31:19 AM

Welcome to the wonderful world of ambivalence and moderation!

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KnightofLsama Since: Sep, 2010
#192: Jun 22nd 2015 at 4:24:20 PM

On another topic, I am concerned that I myself am becoming Islamophobic. Back in the day, I used to think of Islam's popularity in Asia as encouraging, and due to the inherent merits of a religion with a sensible monotheism and an emphasis on social justice in the face of blatantly absurd polytheisms that were designed to perpetuate and justify cruel social orders and tribal divisions.

Nowadays I think of Islamic expansion as a problem and a nuisance, a destruction of cultural patrimony, and its replacement with a violent, hegemonic, and intolerant worldview.

Point the first: And this can't be stressed strongly enough. Criticism of Islam (and there are many things to be critical of) and Islamaphobia are not the same thing.

Point the second: If you look into the history and behaviour of other religions, Islam is nothing special in that regard.

Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
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#193: Jun 22nd 2015 at 10:50:32 PM

An influential panel of Buddhist monks in Myanmar is seeking to ban Muslim schoolgirls from wearing headscarves at school, among other things. The panel features such savory characters as Wirathu.

I originally didn't think that much of being raised as a Buddhist, but this certainly contributed much to my disillusionment with it.

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DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#194: Jun 22nd 2015 at 11:05:09 PM

[up] And I always thought Buddhism was tolerant and peaceful by default. Well, shows what I know.

Also, why does The Guardian keep calling it Burma? Its official name is Myanmar.

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#195: Jun 22nd 2015 at 11:09:47 PM

[up]Like every other religion, the PR department plays up the loving and tolerant bit. You won't have Soka Gakai International admitting that they have supported Imperial Japanese militarism in the past, to name one.

As to the Guardian, they are trying to stick it to the military junta government responsible for the name change.

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#196: Jun 23rd 2015 at 12:15:25 AM

Yeah, if the name change was not decided by a legitimate government, why accept it?

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Elfive (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#197: Jun 23rd 2015 at 1:52:31 AM

We call Deutschland "Germany". Why is this any different?

edited 23rd Jun '15 1:52:46 AM by Elfive

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#198: Jun 23rd 2015 at 5:42:24 AM

"Criticism of Islam (and there are many things to be critical of) and Islamaphobia are not the same thing."

My problem is that I am growing resentful, suspicious, fearful, hateful, and derisive of Islam by default. I'll still systematically defend it against critics of whom I believe that they don't know what the ''hell' ' they're blathering about.

What's worrying me even more is that I am starting to feel similarly about Judaism. But that's a topic for another thread.

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KnightofLsama Since: Sep, 2010
#199: Jun 23rd 2015 at 4:32:47 PM

[up] That's called anti-theism. Welcome to the club cool There are indeed cookies and copious quantities of bacon cheeseburgers wink

We call Deutschland "Germany". Why is this any different?

There's a difference between out and out exonyms (Germany vs Deutchland) and a transliteration of the local name which is the case with both Burma and Myanmar.

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#200: Jun 23rd 2015 at 4:47:33 PM

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