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Jan 15th 2018 at 6:22:46 PM

Also, I just wanted to add that I sort of called it. The epilogue, anyway.

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Mar 7th 2018 at 5:00:41 AM

Cell is an old novel from Stephen King that mirrors the main gimmick of the villains in Kingsman surprisingly closely.

Honestly, if the first film wasn't so glib about it, from the perspective of normal people, the events in the film are prime fodder for a horror film. Maybe an anthology. Imagine the bit with mother trying to hack through a door to murder her own child, times twenty or so.

edited 7th Mar '18 5:01:47 AM by TheHandle

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Mar 7th 2018 at 11:51:42 AM

Mind you, it's all a Deconstruction of James Bond action films.

I think a large part of the grimdark in the first movie is reminding people that the set ups for Pre-Craig Bond movies are horrifying.

It's just Roger Moore's glib tone reflects nightmarish possibilities.

edited 7th Mar '18 11:52:04 AM by CharlesPhipps

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Mar 7th 2018 at 11:53:04 AM

There's Grimdark and then there's grimderp.

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Mar 8th 2018 at 5:05:24 PM

The Bond theme is meant to be an endless nightmare.

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Mar 14th 2018 at 8:26:04 AM

So, am I the only one who cannot shake the feeling that these movies feel almost like Men in Black remakes? The actual plots (in terms of the villain's plots) are very different, but the underlying movie plots feel weirdly similar.

The first movie is about a streetwise younger recruit into a super secret, well-dressed highly advanced service that operates at its own discretion. He's recruited by probably the agency's top agent (at least partially because the recruit's father died helping said agent. Granted, this was a retcon from MIBIII, but that still came out years before Kingsmen). He goes through a rigorous training and selection process where it turns out his street-smarts winds up separating him from the pack.

That was already giving me MIB flashbacks, but it wasn't until the second one that I really felt it. Specifically, Galahad's return. MIBII had the hero's secret base being compromised (by a new female villain who had nothing to do with the plot of the first movie and whose resources and abilities are frankly ridiculous), the hero having to go underground with suddenly limited resources, and eventually bringing the mentor from the first film (who by the end of that film was out of commission) unexpectedly back into the fray. However, him being out of commission led to amnesia and continues to be a stumbling block for him for most of the film, until the last act where He's Back and winds up putting things together to save the day (in MIBII's case it's him remembering what "the light" is, in GC it's deducing Whiskey's betrayal).

I mean, I'm not calling it a rip off or anything. Just really, really, really weird how it hit so many of the same beats, some of which are pretty out there.

edited 14th Mar '18 10:36:06 AM by Larkmarn

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Mar 14th 2018 at 9:12:10 AM Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
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Mar 14th 2018 at 10:04:11 AM

I agree they do have some similarities, and they may have been intentional indeed. However at this point I wonder how much is due to both these film series being Troperiffic. After all, Naďve Newcomer, Mentor Occupational Hazard, Easy Amnesia, and Only Mostly Dead are tropes for a reason...

Now of course if the next Kingsman film involves time travel...

edited 14th Mar '18 10:05:38 AM by C105

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Jul 16th 2019 at 5:12:08 AM

So guess what dropped today:

They've gone the prequel route, dialing back on the absolute insanity... to a point. But also channeling "A Game of Shadows" in the grand conspiracy element. Also Rasputin as a villain?

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Jul 16th 2019 at 5:33:16 AM

I can see a lot of pros in taking a step back in the prequel, since there's a lot of interesting stuff to do with a period piece and it should hopefully mean Kingsman won't fall apart because that plot beat would get really repetitive if they do it in further films in this series.

Like I keep telling myself these are good choices to make and going in a different direction is good but for some reason I'm not really feeling excited for it right now? I guess rewatching the Golden Circle burnt me out more than I thought it did.

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Jul 16th 2019 at 7:51:20 AM

...I did like the Golden Circle, even if I didn't like every thing about it (what they did to Roxy), but this seems like an interesting idea.

Read this post for my theory
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Jul 16th 2019 at 8:09:24 AM

I figure Kingsman can't fall because the film seems to be about its founding. If it fell as it was being founded then it's a miracle this organization lasted as long as it did.

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Jul 16th 2019 at 8:46:56 AM

I think this is less about its founding (as it seems to have existed in one form or another for years) but maybe as its formation as being independent of any nation.

WW 1 may be the decider - showing that nations aren't capable of running things responsibly, and thus they become the freelance agency keeping things in check.

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Sep 30th 2019 at 10:37:52 PM

Lo and behold, the second trailer for The King's Man.

If there's one thing I can appreciate about the Kingsman series, it's that no matter the film's quality, the Mickey Mousing in the trailers, combined with the music, is always spot-on.

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Oct 2nd 2019 at 6:42:44 PM

I was hoping that Charlie Hesketh would "die" every movie, but be rebuilt, increasingly cybernetic by following villains who need his expertise.

But I guess prequel works too.

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Oct 3rd 2019 at 7:43:39 AM

[up] That could still happen as a Brick Joke; but after Golden Circle, not sure where they'll push the franchise forward.

I hope that Eggsy just steps off, becomes a more "Mission control" sort; then maybe Lancelot re-emerges? That was a wasted character... Just be nice to get a mix back.

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Oct 14th 2019 at 8:10:19 AM

Hey, you know that really great fight scene in the first Kingsman, where Colin Firth just kills a ton of racist church-goers? Yeah, a Trump event showED that scene, but edited to show Trump killing his political opponents and the media.

We live in a goddamn hellscape, don't we?

Edited by alliterator on Oct 14th 2019 at 8:31:57 AM

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Oct 14th 2019 at 8:31:16 AM

[up] We live in a society.

Yeah, it's pretty forked up...

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Oct 14th 2019 at 11:32:16 AM

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Oct 14th 2019 at 9:12:46 AM

So the movie is about a Ghurka and two British soldiers fighting Rasputin.

That's quite the cast of characters. If Rasputinian Death doesn't play into how they kill him at the end I will be immensely disappointed.

But yeah that Trump thing is super-scummy. And yet they claim that Kathy Griffin thing where she was holding Trump's severed head was too much.

That is the face of a man who just ate a kitten. Raw.
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Oct 14th 2019 at 1:31:28 PM

So, other than the source footage, what does this have to do with this thread? ORANGE MAN BAD goes over in the US Politics thread in the on-topic forum.

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Oct 14th 2019 at 1:56:33 PM

[up] They used footage from Kingsman, therefore I posted it in the Kingsman thread. There is nothing wrong with that.

There is something wrong, however, with trying to brush away all criticisms of Trump and his supporters with the phrase "ORANGE MAN BAD," which is a parody phrase used to mock any and all criticism of Trump.

Edited by alliterator on Oct 14th 2019 at 1:56:58 AM

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Oct 14th 2019 at 2:05:24 PM

[up]I see too many people mocking Trump in all sorts of manners. I get it: Trump bad. But while I don't really care, I am angered about how popular is to jab Trump and how his supporters and detractors fiercely fight each other (and I have the right to be). I remain neutral about Trump, personally.

Anyway, I would like to watch the Kingsman films soon.

Edited by Andrei_Bondoc on Oct 14th 2019 at 12:06:51 PM

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Oct 14th 2019 at 2:10:24 PM

I am angered about how popular is to jab Trump (and I have the right to be).
It's popular to mock Trump, because 1) he's a criminal who is actively doing crimes and trying to brush them aside by gaslighting people and 2) it's just really, really easy.

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Oct 14th 2019 at 2:13:22 PM

[up]I really forgot that. Thanks!

But I'm still neutral about Trump.

And I'm still interested in watching Kingsman. I have a whole lot of stuff to catch up.

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Oct 14th 2019 at 2:16:02 PM

Having seen the first film I just try to pretend the golden circle did not happen

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