You got it. How about Quarreling Song? Someone a while back said that it's just people arguing via a song.
Don't worry, it's in my own words this time. It's not really said, but it is on the list of articles that are classified as "chairs" right now, and I think it's because people arguing in song isn't exactly a trope, other than moving the plot along when two characters have an argument.
edited 3rd Mar '15 10:51:00 AM by CaveCat
Sometimes, you just can't win them all.You're an enthusiastic troper and you seem to want to improve, but I get the sense of Scooby-doo laughing and then saying, "I don't get it." from you. Try ~Madrugada's sectioning for Quarreling Song, to help explain why it may or may not be chairs.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
I'm serious this time. And by Madrugada's sectioning, I assume you mean the sectioning that he used when trying to get me to explain the meaning behind God Save Us from the Queen!. Alright, I'll try it then.
- what the pattern is <two characters are arguing with each other in song>
- what the creator who uses that pattern is using it to do <help the audience understand that two characters who are having a fight are working out their differences>
- why they expect to get that response <the audience sympathizes with the characters arguing and hope for the characters to make up>
- The most common ways it's used <used in romances and comedies and especially animated shows and movies>
I hope that's good enough.
Sometimes, you just can't win them all.No. Those answers are extremely tautological and chairsy. Saying "Someone a while back said that [it's chairs because] it's just people arguing via a song" is not explaining why "people arguing via song" is chairs. Please explain.
edited 3rd Mar '15 11:59:18 AM by rodneyAnonymous
Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
I explained it the best I could, but I'll try again if that's what you want.
- what the pattern is <two characters are arguing with each other in song>
- what the creator who uses that pattern is using it to do <make the audience understand that two characters have gotten into an argument>
- why they expect to get that response <the audience knows that arguments lead to trouble and hope that the characters make up>
- The most common ways it's used <used in romances and comedies and especially animated shows and movies>
edited 3rd Mar '15 6:42:02 PM by CaveCat
Sometimes, you just can't win them all.So the meaning of characters arguing is that the creator is trying to communicate the characters are arguing? That is another way to define chairs, I guess.
A trope is (among other things) where a creator does one thing to communicate something else (or at least something more).
edited 3rd Mar '15 10:20:08 PM by rodneyAnonymous
Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.Rodney, dial it back a bit please. You sort of set her up for failure when you asked her to fill in the "Why is this a good article?" questionnaire with an article that doesn't actually have answers to all of them.
Speaking of which - Cave Cat, if you can't actually find answers to all of those questions in one of your articles, or if it's all just repetition of the answer to question 1, that's a pretty good indicator that you're in People Sit On Chairs territory.
I did not ask that. I said "Please pick an article described as 'chairs' in the OP and explain why that claim is made." No deception or manipulation present or intended. I asked why the article is bad, not why it's good.
edited 4th Mar '15 2:22:05 AM by rodneyAnonymous
Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.![]()
I asked her to use the 4 questions. I'm not sure the questions are quite clear enough on what to answer for ~Cave Cat. This may help:
- The recurring pattern is:
- Creators use that pattern to present this hidden information:
- Audiences connect this hidden information to Real Life by:
- The consistency of the hidden information is:
- The hidden information is needed in:
- The information hidden in the recurring pattern is similar to:
edited 4th Mar '15 5:57:08 AM by crazysamaritan
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.Yeah, maybe Quarreling Song was a poor choice. I should've picked Feud Episode or even Frantic Object Concealment.
And by the way, Rodney, when I said that I explained it better, I meant that I explained it better why it's chairs. I mean, at least the answers were a bit more coherent than the first time.
edited 4th Mar '15 9:13:56 AM by CaveCat
Sometimes, you just can't win them all.I think Quarreling Song is a legitimate trope, so I took a stab at rewriting the description. I also added a page quote.
Bigotry in the name of inclusion is still bigotry.
Thank you, Gideon. Even I couldn't have done it better than that, but I still have quite a lot of work to do to see if any of the other trope pages I created are worthy of being tropes or if they need to be nuked, especially since I have to use the questions that Crazysamaritan gave me to ask why Quarreling Song is a trope. But thank you for helping me out a bit.
Now that the description for Quarreling Song has been tweaked, thanks to Gideoncrawle, let's see if I can be able to get this right, using the questions that Crazysamaritan has bestowed onto me.
- The recurring pattern is: Two or more characters get into an argument via song.
- Creators use that pattern to present this hidden information: That what the characters are arguing about becomes a major plot point of the story.
- Audiences connect this hidden information to Real Life by: Identifying that the problem that the characters are arguing about is integral to the plot of the story.
- The consistency of the hidden information is: To show the audience that arguments lead to trouble.
- The hidden information is needed in: Musicals, operas, and Musical Episodes.
- The information hidden in the recurring pattern is similar to: Let's Duet, Counterpoint Duet, Call-and-Response Song.
Good, except for #3 and #4: "plot points" is not a thing in Real Life, and you didn't explain the consistency.
The answer you gave for #4 is pretty close to a good answer to #3: Audiences know arguments lead to trouble. The trouble will be important in this story's conflict.
Which sort of Consistency applies to this trope?
edited 7th Mar '15 11:18:14 AM by crazysamaritan
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Thank you for that, Crazysamaritan, so I'll try it again. This time, once more with feeling.
- The recurring pattern is: Two or more characters get into an argument via song.
- Creators use that pattern to present this hidden information: That what the characters are arguing about becomes a major plot point of the story.
- Audiences connect this hidden information to Real Life by: Knowing that arguments lead to trouble.
- The consistency of the hidden information is: Genre Consistency
- The hidden information is needed in: Musicals, operas, and Musical Episodes.
- The information hidden in the recurring pattern is similar to: Let's Duet, Counterpoint Duet, Call-and-Response Song.
edited 7th Mar '15 2:21:46 PM by CaveCat
Sometimes, you just can't win them all.~rodneyAnonymous, ~Kyle Jacobs, ~Madrugada, ~Darksilverhawk: What do you think about Quarreling Song now?
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.I think it's better but that Cave Cat was steered to those changes and remain unconvinced she understands what the problem is.
Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.It's still not a good idea. Your first attempts are better than they were, but they still aren't wiki-quality.
Pick a trope you haven't been coached through and, using those questions as the framework, give us a proposed write-up here. Remember to answer all of the questions; remember that if the answers to two or more of them are the same, you may be into Chairs territory, and remember that you don't get any extra points for making the write-up only two or three sentences long. It's more important that it be clear and complete than that it be short.
edited 28th Mar '15 10:35:17 AM by Madrugada

I, for one, am not convinced that you get it. (Especially since one answer is repeated verbatim rather than in your own words.)
Please pick an article described as "chairs" in the OP and explain why that claim is made.
edited 3rd Mar '15 10:36:18 AM by rodneyAnonymous
Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.