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Comun Since: Jun, 2012
#10676: Sep 9th 2024 at 2:43:39 PM

[up]Thanks, I remembered her as very distinctly not brainwashed but didn't trust my memory enough to comment it. I'm glad not to be misremembering things that bad.

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#10677: Sep 9th 2024 at 2:51:32 PM

its clearly a fetish for someone at Gallop for how often it happens and how female victims were much more common.

  • Joey and Téa in DM (Battle City)
  • Chazz, Bastian, and Alexis in GX (Cult style)
  • Luna in 5D's (hypnosis), arguably Akiza and Carly (different means)
  • Tori and Cathy in ZEXAL (Barian's Force shenanigans)
  • all four Bracelet girls in ARC-V (Fusion Parasite-related), Yuya (Demonic Possession from Z-ARC)
  • Skye and Miyu in VRAINS (though the extent of it afaik was just a coma and for the former, a more aggressive streak)

ARC-V's case was def on the more fetishy end IMHO. That doctor was a straight-up creep.

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Sep 9th 2024 at 2:51:59 AM

LLSmoothJ (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#10678: Sep 9th 2024 at 3:00:38 PM

I don’t think he planned it, per say. But he did take advantage of it. If Joey had stopped and thought for a second “Time Wizard was originally Yugi’s card…I partner it with Baby Dragon; what did he pair it with.” He might not have made this play.

I remember a WatchMojo video calling out Yugi for "grooming" Joey.

Edited by LLSmoothJ on Sep 9th 2024 at 3:00:59 AM

AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man
#10679: Sep 9th 2024 at 3:18:45 PM

I knew it! I knew she wasnt brainwashed!

As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.
Shep55 Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Abstaining
#10680: Sep 9th 2024 at 4:46:17 PM

You'd think by the fifth series they'd have a better way to force duels between protagonists and their friends than mind control. I don't think they ever beat the drama of Yugi vs Joey either.

Edited by Shep55 on Sep 9th 2024 at 4:46:26 AM

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#10681: Sep 9th 2024 at 5:16:20 PM

[up]Yuma/Nasch from ZEXAL is prolly a contender, granted that was more drawn out. No brainwashing needed just good ol' ideological conflcittongue

SatoshiBakura (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Oshawott337 Since: Jul, 2020 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
#10683: Sep 9th 2024 at 6:33:37 PM

VRAINS did it like twice, too.

"Let’s see who’s stronger: someone that has something to protect, or someone that has nothing to lose."
GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
Formerly G.G.
#10684: Sep 9th 2024 at 6:45:47 PM

Zane's ideals were deconstructed and he himself exposed as a sham. Poor Zane was tortured and forced to realize that he did not really believe in those ideals. Zane wanted to win no matter what and to regain his lost pride. He later gets better in the later seasons but not without cost to his life.

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#10685: Sep 10th 2024 at 8:30:45 AM

I think the Zane Nightshroud duel was interesting for that reason, because Atticus was kind of being possessed by another spirit, but getting through to Zane wae always his plan, even if it didn't work.

Demetrios Lucky Seven from Des Plaines, Illinois (unfortunately) Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Lucky Seven
#10686: Sep 12th 2024 at 8:40:18 AM

I can still remember Marik switching from Evil Gloating to freaking out when Atem caused Slifer the Sky Dragon to do an infinite loop. cool

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ShiningStardust Since: Jun, 2017
#10687: Sep 13th 2024 at 8:08:47 AM

[up]x10

It's also worthy to note how much worse the girls tends to fare in their duels compared to the boys. Or how rare it is that they get to have a full on-screen duel to begin with. I get that the franchise is primarily dominated by males even in the target demographic, but the contrast is too noticeable. It's like Gallop legit hates writing good female duelists.

Asuka is probably the only one during Gallop era with an actually good record for an actual female duelist, and it's probably because she was their first actual female duelist (Tea wasn't really a duelist despite her clean record), so it was something new for them.

Arc-V and Vrains are definitely among the worst for this, with Yuzu not getting to duel beyond Synchro arc (not to mention that horrible duel against Sergey), Rin and Ruri only getting one on-screen duel when they are brainwashed, a lot of Serena's duels being mostly off-screen or against weak mooks, Ayu's only duel ending in her loss, Aoi's only notable win being against Baira of Hanoi, and Ghost Girl's constant losses with her only full on-screen duel win being against a character explicitly stated to lose to kindergartners in duels. And then there's Zexal having Cathy and Rio, supposedly good duelists, constantly lose whenever they got an on-screen duel. Rio only won an on-screen duel once, and Cathy flat out never won on-screen.

Edited by ShiningStardust on Sep 15th 2024 at 10:27:15 PM

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#10688: Sep 13th 2024 at 9:03:56 AM

[up]you mean vrains? because I remember sevens being pretty good with its girls

ShiningStardust Since: Jun, 2017
#10689: Sep 13th 2024 at 9:56:38 AM

Yeah, sorry, that was a typo, I meant Vrains, not Sevens. Fixed.

Edited by ShiningStardust on Sep 13th 2024 at 11:56:51 PM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#10690: Sep 14th 2024 at 5:53:20 PM

Remember in the big tournament arc of Zexal whete they gave all of Yuma's friends relevant characters to fight and lose to, but Cathy's story relevance wws taken by a sentient dog who never appeared again?

ShiningStardust Since: Jun, 2017
#10691: Sep 17th 2024 at 9:23:26 AM

Even worse, after getting Cathy's heart pieces, said dog girl only needed 1 more heart piece to qualify for the next round. But she couldn't get it before the day ends, so in the end Cathy's heart pieces were wasted anyway.

The duel absolutely could have ended in Cathy's win without disrupting the episode's plot, Cathy still can inspire the dog girl and boost her confidence anyway, and iirc if Cathy won, she would have completed her heart and thus immediately qualify for the next round.


Although, the whole WDC is really weird to begin with. How the heck it's stated that there were over 10,000 contestants, but these bunch of kids couldn't find weak enough people in two days to get enough heart pieces to complete theirs? And how the heck only 24 people managed to complete theirs? With over 10,000 contestants, the number of people who completed their heart should have been in the hundreds at least, if not reaching thousands. There should have been one off-screen round to weed those out into the final 24, for it to make more sense.

Also how the heck Tokunosuke slept through the entire first day outside, plus without his parent looking for him??? [lol]

Edited by ShiningStardust on Sep 18th 2024 at 12:07:45 AM

Rissis The Average Man from Where The Sidewalk Ends Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
The Average Man
#10692: Sep 17th 2024 at 9:51:19 AM

[up] It's unfortunately a rule of thumb that whenever there's a Tournament Arc, The Main Characters Do Everything, so no matter how confusing the rules are or how many people compete, it's practically guaranteed that only the heroes get to the finals.

A possible in-universe reason pertaining to your "why don't they just find weak duelists and beat them to get Plot Coupons more quickly" question is that they don't want to take the "easy way", or they are only interested in dueling tough or unique opponents rather than mediocre newbies, or both. For instance, Joey during Battle City, who had a whole debate with Tristan about this.

Of course, I'm only assuming that every non-villainous duelist in all the shows thinks the same way where tournaments are concerned, so I may be wrong.

Edited by Rissis on Sep 17th 2024 at 1:55:48 AM

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AegisP Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Kindhearted SSSSSNAKE Man
#10693: Sep 17th 2024 at 10:03:03 PM

[up] This is serendipitous! I found a video with Joey stating EXACTLY he doesnt want to just beat weak chumps to get to the finals.

As long as this flower is in my heart. My Strength will flow without end.
Antiyonder (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#10694: Sep 25th 2024 at 6:45:13 PM

Didn't see it on TV back then, but The Pharaoh spoke out against the worst evil. Drugs!

Besides which, you can't wisely invest in Yu-Gi-Oh merch if you blow the cash on drug.💵

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#10695: Sep 26th 2024 at 1:27:26 AM

"As I understand it, they didn't actually duel in the manga, since they wanted to avoid letting Pegasus see their decks (which didn't really matter, since Pegasus could simply read Yugi's mind to see all his cards)"

No only it didnt matter, Yugi beat pegasus first by crazy idea of using switching to fool pegasus mind reader power and then because power of riendship or something. Quite honestly letting Joey and Yugi duel was good.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#10696: Sep 26th 2024 at 4:55:03 AM

The other reason was that Joey didn’t even want to face Pegasus, he wanted the prize money to help Serenity. And Yugi wanted to face Pegasus but not the money, so it all worked out like that.

Shep55 Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Abstaining
#10697: Sep 26th 2024 at 5:47:27 AM

Now you could have Pegasus insist on the two dueling for whatever reason, but that isn't how the anime explained it.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#10698: Sep 26th 2024 at 6:58:49 AM

If Joey had dueled Pegasus he'd have one big advantage: Luck.

All the mind-reading in the world can't beat the luck of the draw or Time Wizard's spinning.

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Demetrios Lucky Seven from Des Plaines, Illinois (unfortunately) Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#10700: Sep 26th 2024 at 7:29:44 AM

Joey did have some weird cards with him. One lucky move or insane gamble and Pegasus might be thrown off.

Wake me up at your own risk.

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