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Ambiguous Name (Alt Names crowner 21th Feb 2015): Vampire Invitation

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#52: Feb 21st 2015 at 2:44:38 AM

Put an alt names crowner in.

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#53: Mar 15th 2015 at 6:16:43 AM

Votes Bump!

The top two options have less than ten opinions given. Can more people please chime in?

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LordGro (Old as dirt)
#54: Mar 18th 2015 at 2:10:17 PM

I added Invited Ghosts Only and Invited Ghosts as options to the crowner. Puns on "Invited Guests Only".

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#55: Mar 18th 2015 at 2:47:02 PM

So, all the problems of the current name for a creature type this almost never applies to?

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
LordGro (Old as dirt)
#56: Mar 18th 2015 at 3:05:51 PM

The creatures we are talking about — vampires, demons, fairies — are ghosts.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#57: Mar 18th 2015 at 3:09:24 PM

Vampires, demons and fairies are NOT ghosts in any way, some might be considered undead in some works but even then not ghosts.

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#58: Mar 18th 2015 at 4:40:48 PM

Ghosts are an entirely different sort of creature. At least in English, vampires, demons, and faeries are never classified as ghosts.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#60: Mar 20th 2015 at 9:24:26 AM

Only two options are in the positives:

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#61: Mar 20th 2015 at 9:32:10 AM

Calling for Must Be Invited. It's been long enough.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
LordGro (Old as dirt)
#62: Mar 20th 2015 at 2:02:52 PM
Thumped: for switching the discussion from the topic to a person. Doesn't take many of this kind of thump to bring a suspension. Stay on the topic, not the people in the discussion.
AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#63: Mar 20th 2015 at 2:05:53 PM

And I'm a witch.

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Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#64: Mar 20th 2015 at 3:03:56 PM

And I'm a newt.

No one is going to equate ghosts with any of those other creatures...just because the dictionary says they can be synonyms doesn't mean that they're recognized as such by the broader public.

LordGro (Old as dirt)
#65: Mar 21st 2015 at 4:06:02 AM

Oh ha ha, funny how my argument was not that any of those creatures is "equated" to ghosts by anyone, but that "ghosts" used in a broader sense can very well include those creatures.

And why thump away my defense of my suggestion? Was that "switching the discussion from the topic to a person", too?

Funny, too, how nobody of the people voting for Must Be Invited has bothered to explain why they think that Must Be Invited (a name that does not indicate at all it is about supernatural creatures) will cause less problems by misuse than Vampire Invitation did by (assumed) underuse.

But well, that's TV Tropes discussion culture for you. Have fun shoveling wicks, until the next rename.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#66: Mar 21st 2015 at 4:25:51 AM

I've never heard "ghost" being applied to vampires and other characters. Perhaps it's an obsolete meaning of the term.

And yes, you were derailing the discussion into being about another poster. In a thread where the rename crowner had already been called, too. And please moderate your language a bit.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
LordGro (Old as dirt)
#67: Mar 21st 2015 at 5:58:12 AM

I was also citing a source to support that the use of "ghost" as a broad, generic term for supernatural beings with certain traits is not nearly as outlandish as some of you think, and pointed out the close parallels between vampires, fairies, demons and the concept of 'ghost' that prevails in the broad public. That is not talking about a person, nor should it be 'derailing' a thread whose purpose is to discuss potential trope names. Yet it was also disappeared under the thump.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#68: Mar 21st 2015 at 6:18:15 AM

Dictionaries don't care about whether a meaning is obsolete, and public knowledge does override "technically possible" meaning. That makes that name unsuitable for this trope.

Besides, the crowner has been called in favour of Must Be Invited. Continuing a discussion after the crowner voting on it has been called is not proper practice.

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#69: Mar 21st 2015 at 9:22:31 AM

So when will this rename be official?

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#70: Mar 21st 2015 at 9:39:47 AM

As soon as people do the work and move the page and the wicks.

EDIT: I moved the page. Wicks need moving.

edited 21st Mar '15 9:46:25 AM by shimaspawn

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#71: Apr 14th 2015 at 10:25:41 AM

*BUMP* 172 wicks to go.

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Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
#72: Sep 16th 2015 at 10:53:26 AM

All wicks have been corrected, save for a ZCE on a locked page and a ghost wick.

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Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#73: Sep 16th 2015 at 11:57:07 AM

I've cutlisted the Playing With page. The work page probably needs a general ZCE sweep.

Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
#74: Sep 21st 2015 at 12:59:04 AM

The Playing With page has been cut, and the ZCE cleaned up. Is there anything else to be done here?

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#75: Sep 21st 2015 at 1:25:26 AM

Is the requisite discussion page, Renamed Tropes and FAQ thread logging done?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

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