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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#2651: Aug 14th 2016 at 9:50:14 AM

They mention that just taking off the head doesn't work, so I guess it's a matter of totally dismembering them? Not...really sure. This seems like a case where the script, direction, and CGI teams were all just doing their own thing and weren't really communicating all that well. That seems to happen a lot lately.

Like, the people are weird zombies, but nobody mentions anything specific about how they look, and nothing is ever made of the gross, pulsing eye/egg/tumor growths covering their heads, unless that was cut out.

Harley has low-grade superstrength in the comics now, right? I know she didn't start off that way, but I wanna say Ivy might have given that to her while they were living together? I guess they could have been going for that, although it doesn't seem to matter much in the events of the movie.

edited 14th Aug '16 10:17:21 AM by Unsung

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#2652: Aug 14th 2016 at 10:07:44 AM

I think I saw some of the zombie things had to be shot twice in the head to put them down, and they can use weapons, so Waller probably thinks they'd be really useful against people who are aren't badass elite soldiers or supervillains.

And I mean, yeah, they probably would be useful at killing a lot of people you'd want dead without it being traced back to you, because magic zombie soldier things aren't exactly something you can easily identify and trace to the source.

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#2653: Aug 14th 2016 at 10:41:03 AM

Harley has low-grade superstrength in the comics now, right? I know she didn't start off that way, but I wanna say Ivy might have given that to her while they were living together? I guess they could have been going for that, although it doesn't seem to matter much in the events of the movie.

In her origin into the comics back in No Man's Land, Ivy gave her an injection that basically Captain America'd her (well, Comic! Captain America. Not Movie! Captain America): low grade enhanced strength, agility, endurance, and iirc a very mild healing factor. It was an immigrant thing to a bit in BTAS, but Ivy only gave her poison immunity there.

Writers in comics are generally good about remembering it where it counts (though adaptations tend to ignore it completely, resulting in stuff like her portrayal in the Arkhamverse), but superpowered or not there's a reason why she often The Big Guy in Joker's crew.

edited 14th Aug '16 10:41:48 AM by KnownUnknown

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#2654: Aug 14th 2016 at 2:07:59 PM

Squad VR.

Edit: Was just thinking one of the most out there scenes in Suicide Squad is Rick Flag waking up at like 3AM to eat chicken.

edited 14th Aug '16 7:47:18 PM by Cruherrx

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#2655: Aug 14th 2016 at 10:15:14 PM

Totally random thought but who else expects a scene in HISHE in which Deadpool pops up and steals Captain Boomerangs Pony?

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#2656: Aug 14th 2016 at 10:24:04 PM

About the squad being regular guys, it depend as comic books and comic books movie can do is making badass normal guy look superhero-ish, like hawkeye.

Now, in case of Harley will be her time with Joker and her evil mental state give a very out of the box combatant, Croc look more strong and animalistic, Deadshot is deadshot, Katana have her strombringer sword, the only let off is Boomerang who skill with it dosent look any diferent.

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#2657: Aug 15th 2016 at 12:25:06 AM

I've finally seen the movie and boy, what a ride. It's fun little experience to see, and the only major issues are the main villain's motive and the pacing. I felt the main villain Enchantress was a great and threatening character, very memorable in my opinion. It's just that her motivation needs more work as it breezes through her and her brother's backstory and why they hate humans now. Pacing is choppy and I really do wish the movie would be longer and have room to breathe.

Tone-wise, I didn't have any problems with it. The first half of the movie simply establish the personalities of our protagonists and that they are not dark or over-angsty characters (except for El Diablo and perhaps Katana but they mostly hang in the background till the end) like many would accuse Superman or Batman to be. These are criminals and super villains who have tragic backstories, but they are more focus on the immediate reward of saving the world rather than brooding over their issues. The second half is a war movie and to me, the change in tone works because these colorful characters are put in a bleak situation with little to no chance of survival (hence the "Suicide" part of the title). If it was the same as the first half, it would simply be the Supervillain Squad: Why do we need the Government when we could have formed this team on our own?

I mean that is the point of the Suicide Squad. A bunch of crazy super criminals forced against their will to do secretive government missions that is virtually considered a suicide mission for a meager reward of shaving off prison time and if they don't cooperate, they get their heads blow off.

Overall, I enjoyed and liked this movie.

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#2658: Aug 15th 2016 at 12:50:19 AM

If there's one positive thing I can say about Enchantress, it's that her hips don't lie.

Man of Steel Answers on Suicide Squad. I can't believe he actually did one on this. Seems like a pretty easy film to digest.

edited 15th Aug '16 8:29:16 AM by Cruherrx

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#2659: Aug 15th 2016 at 8:44:52 AM

Saw the film, decent but not great imo. The one thing that took me by surprise though, is that I found it to be a lot less funny than I thought it would. Like theres the occasional snippets of banter between the squad. But other than that, I thought it would be a hell of a lot funnier than it was.

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#2660: Aug 15th 2016 at 9:06:03 AM

Don't wanna sound like an asshole (but I don't mind it), but the only people that seem to think it's "great" are twitterites and tumblrers.

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#2661: Aug 15th 2016 at 11:02:52 AM

And of course, the people on Facebook who respond to any and every negative review of the movie with "It's good, stop being such a Marvel fanboy"

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#2662: Aug 15th 2016 at 11:28:50 AM

So it sounds like you can find people that liked it all over the place

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#2663: Aug 15th 2016 at 11:35:08 AM

I personally think it's slightly above average at best, but I certainly don't think the vitriol is warranted. At worst it's just a mediocre movie.

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#2664: Aug 15th 2016 at 12:26:36 PM

All I can say is it was an okay movie. Fortunately not as 2edgy4u as it was trying to make itself appear as, but kind of bland all around. Katana needed more screen time. Boomerang's "retribution" put him into Jerkass Woobie territory to me. Deadshot was cool, generally a Will Smith dad portrayal. Harley was alright. Joker... well, I'm kind of surprised at the direction he was written in, seeming to genuinely care about Harley and saving her. His parts didn't work so well with the general movie pacing apart from the Sequel Hook at the end. They probably should have been cut or been given bigger focus, as it was it wasn't all that well executed.

Enchantress... Meh. June really should have died.

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#2665: Aug 15th 2016 at 1:44:17 PM

So anyone want to make comparisons to the animated flick Batman: Assault on Arkham?

I mean their both Squad films so it be fun to state which did it better & was a worthier adaption to the Squad's brand.

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#2666: Aug 15th 2016 at 1:49:05 PM

It depends. Do you think it's better to have a plot hijacking Joker or a Joker who is underused for once? Which side of the petty bastardry vs. team spirit equation do you favor? Amanda is definitely better in the live action movie, while in the animated film she was just a stupid bitch (and Batman even calls her out on it). Deadshot fares rather well in both, but he gets a more satisfactory ending in the animation. Which then again might be missing the point when using Deadshot. Boomerang is probably better in the animation, but neither uses him that well. The chemistry between Frost and Shark might have helped the LA, and Shark is likely an overall better fit for a Suicide Squadron than Croc.

edited 15th Aug '16 1:49:36 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

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#2667: Aug 15th 2016 at 6:50:06 PM

Just got back from the movie.

It fails in every single level, for me. El Diablo is the only character whose arc makes sense and is fulfilling ("I can't change what I've done. AND NEITHER CAN YOU!" is by far the movie's most "fuck yeah" scene). Amanda Waller is a laughable failure, Deadshot doesn't convince as a villain (ergo his redemption quest falls flat), Boomerang, Croc and Katana are window-dressing, Harley is trite, carried entirely on her actress giving her best, Joker is one-note as fuck, the villains are boring and don't really fit in.

The editing is what really kills the film. It's too choppy. The script is weapons-grade terrible ("oh hey look its Slipknot the man who can undo any knot" is just textbook Show, Don't Tell being ignored).

Pros: Soundtrack's fantastic, the cast is excellent even though they have literally everything else working directly to sabotage them, the aesthetics are nice when they bother to let a shot last more than 2 seconds.

Best scenes: The climax is pretty well-done. Has some cool visuals and it's cool seeing them work together, even if the plot makes no attempt to justify it. El Diablo is a stand-out in every moment. Captain Boomerang, in the 1.5 seconds of screentime he has, also steals the show and his opening scene to the tune of Dirty Deeds, Done Dirt Cheap is pretty fantastic.

Lowest point: Condoning an abusive relationship

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#2668: Aug 15th 2016 at 7:01:58 PM

[up]I dont think it condone and abusing relatioship more that goes for a villian couple a bonnie and clyde, I think it work best since im a little bit if tired of "Harley is sad joker fangirl why he can shake is rage bonner for batman" it a least set her as villian

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#2669: Aug 15th 2016 at 7:06:49 PM

There is one scene entirely dedicated to the concept of Joker physically torturing her until she is literally irreparably insane, or at least that's what the maddening editing implies. It's not a Bonnie-Clyde "yay we're a criminal couple" thing, it's a man physically and emotionally torturing a woman and then the movie ending, literally, with their Big Damn Kiss.

They had two choices: Portray it as the horribly abusive and terrible mess it is like BTAS did or do what The Batman did. Just sidestep the entire thing and make it an actual Bonnie & Clyde relationship where they're a entirely functional and healthy (if violently murderous towards everyone else) romantic relationship.

They went for a middle-ground and it ends up downright ugly.

edited 15th Aug '16 7:07:20 PM by Gaon

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#2670: Aug 15th 2016 at 7:11:13 PM

Supposedly the original cut was a lot less cutesy about romanticizing their relationship.

The script requires Amanda Waller to botch things, but Viola Davis does sell me on the idea that she could still turn this debacle to her advantage, somehow. Probably my favourite performance. El Diablo gets the best arc of the movie, though, hands down, and takes what could have been a decidedly one-note fire villain and makes him a lot more interesting. Shame we won't see him again elsewhere, unless maybe there's a flashback in one of the other movies where we see him before he reformed.

edited 15th Aug '16 7:26:47 PM by Unsung

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#2671: Aug 15th 2016 at 7:18:24 PM

El Diablo is a shame because as great as he is, he is a hard character to make stick around. As (to the movie's credit) the plot acknowledges, El Diablo really did do some terrible, terrible things. His arc has nowhere to go but dying to atone for them. He has gotten to a point where it's narratively a case of I've Come Too Far.

Agreed that Viola Davis's sells Waller pretty great, even if the plot doesn't (her moronic plan causes her own problems and nearly destroys the world, she botches the entire rescue operation as well, and is only saved by virtue of the Squad growing a conscience with no warning).

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#2672: Aug 15th 2016 at 7:18:56 PM

[up][up]Yeah and the novelization implies he did that on her because they used electro-shock therapy in him, screw is mental state even more, for what I see they highly unstable couple as Harley try to stab Batman even he is save her, she remind me of those types who are atract to criminals.

[up]to be fair, Waller botch thing not for being stupid but for being a bitch, as her pushed enchantres waaaay to far and middle in her buissness

edited 15th Aug '16 7:20:15 PM by unknowing

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#2673: Aug 15th 2016 at 7:38:30 PM

Even with the theatrical cut's generous depiction of Harley and Joker's relationship, looking at all the flashbacks through the lens of how Harley remembers it removes some of the Unfortunate Implications for me. And Joker's "heroics" in the film can be interpreted as just being the possessive prick he usually is, just romanticized through Harley's eyes. You can read it as a twisted but ultimately romantic and loving relationship or you can read it as no different than Immortan Joe crossing the wastes to reclaim his property in Fury Road.

People criticizing this Joker as being one note are missing out on how malleable this depiction really is I think. He wasn't given nearly enough screentime and arguably could've been cut out entirely, and I'll readily admit the film is a mess of editing mistakes as a whole, but I really dig this Joker. Is he a demented romantic? An abuser? Is he a genuinely vain crime lord or just a living parody taking the piss at the excessive lifestyle of conventional criminals?

I'm hoping the talk of a Joker/Harley spinoff movie convinces the execs to make it happen.

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#2674: Aug 15th 2016 at 7:42:39 PM

You really, really have to squint harder than Clint Eastwood with a severe allergy to even begin to see any hint the relationship is problematic. There's one moment Harley goes about "have you ever loved someone" to Deadshot but the implication the relationship is terrifyingly awful is only there as a shadow in the wall. Once again: the movie ends with their Big Damn Kiss set to romantic music, completely unironically.

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#2675: Aug 15th 2016 at 8:01:39 PM

[up]I think the scene where that criminal talk to him indicate how Harley and Joker see each other, margie robbie said Harley is "adicted to him" and I can see that

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