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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#2576: Aug 9th 2016 at 7:57:34 PM

Hugo Strange is usually portrayed as a pretty good psychiatrist. The problem is while he can diagnose people expertly and could probably cure them, he has absolutely zero interest in curing people. His goal is using them as pawns to his games.

Arkahm City is probably the best example. Hugo correctly dianogses pretty much everyone's psychological problem, down to the Joker and Batman. He even notes he can cure Two-Face but ultimately just plain doesn't want to.

So it's not that Gotham psychiatrists are bad at their job, it's probably more that they're sociopaths.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#2577: Aug 9th 2016 at 8:01:58 PM

Right. I had forgotten him, although he wasn't a psychiatrist/psychologist until after the Crisis on Infinite Earths. The original versions from Earth One and Two were just criminal masterminds with an unspecified doctorate.

Jonathan Crane seems too fixated on a single behavior trait as to count as a good student of psychology even if we discard his sociopathy.

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#2578: Aug 9th 2016 at 8:05:27 PM

Although, if we can count Elseworlds, the best psychiatrist to ever grace a Batman book is Bruce Wayne.

Cruherrx I say things. from my own little world Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Robbery Since: Jul, 2012
#2581: Aug 9th 2016 at 10:36:24 PM

Generally speaking, it's pretty unusual to have a phd begore you're 24 (four years of college, plus 2 for post grad work) which would not have given her long to practice before she got seduced by the Joker, if she's supposed to be 26; I seriously doubt they would have put a first year rookie shrink in with the Joker. I mean, it'd have to be graduate, get a job at Arkham, get seduced by the Joker after less then 6 months on the job. As indicated in "Mad Love" she probably did sleep her way to better grades, but she still would have had to turn work in, even if it was crappy work with "adjusted" grades. She could have gotten her degree early if she'd taken coursework over the summer and whatnot (perhaps she did, she seems like she could have been pretty driven) but 26 seems too young for her to have done everything she's done.

edited 9th Aug '16 10:36:45 PM by Robbery

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#2582: Aug 9th 2016 at 10:46:41 PM

Lets just chalk it up to artistic license.

Its a comic book movie, not everything ahs to be totally realistic or sensical.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HisInfernalMajesty Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
#2583: Aug 9th 2016 at 11:05:00 PM

It should be noted that Margot Robbie is 26, but Harley's exact age is never stated (at least I don't think it is in the film). And speaking as a 20 year old guy who's about a year and a half away from his Bachelor's degree, bucketloads of AP and Dual Enrollment classes in high school can speed up your time in college quite a bit. So going by that [up][up] hypothetical, I could get a PHD by 26 myself (though I'm most certainly overestimating myself, my Film major is probably a joke compared to a Psychology major). Still, it isn't that unfeasible given the right circumstances, and couple that with the fact that Harley's probably a smarter-than-average comicbook character to begin with and has her looks to boot, it's even more feasible for her.

Though again, it's unclear whether she's meant to be Robbie's age in the film or if it's just Underage Casting.

Edit: Oh, she is 26 according to the rap sheet, my bad.

edited 9th Aug '16 11:07:45 PM by HisInfernalMajesty

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Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#2584: Aug 9th 2016 at 11:34:48 PM

I read Harley's height at 6'5" at first. [lol]

Cruherrx I say things. from my own little world Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
I say things.
#2585: Aug 9th 2016 at 11:36:29 PM

Saw it again. Dropping it to a 6/10.

First time I saw it with my gf, and maybe that's the reason the flaws didn't pop out to me. This time I saw it by myself and it was jarring as fuck moving from scene to scene. Some transitions didn't even make spacial sense. This movie was fucking butchered in editing. Ayer says this is his movie, but it makes no sense when Fury and End of Watch are such slow movies, while this is break-neck speed.

WB fucked this one up good.

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#2586: Aug 10th 2016 at 2:08:43 AM

[up]Yeah I feel the same way too.

I think she'd have been fine if she hadn't tried to crack a high profile Arkham case while still a novice. Harley actually, when she tries, has better psychiatric insight and knowledge than most doctors from the Batman mythos, including Forever's Chase Meridian (who just babbled generic Hollywood psychobabble), Dr. Simpson Flanders— no joke— from the Knightfall era (just a pop culture opportunistic book salesman) and even Dr. Arkham himself (who showed decent if questionable theorical basis in his introduction arc, but becomes rather inefficient and doesn't even really try afterwards). I'm not counting Dr. Wolper from Dark Knight Returns because, while an idiot, he actually had several Strawman Has a Point moments.

Hell, as Terry Mc Ginnins from Batman Beyond showed us you don't actually need a degree to figure the Joker out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjTTmT_o5io

Chaosjunction Since: Feb, 2010
#2587: Aug 10th 2016 at 6:57:24 AM

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Saw it last night and I have to agree. Some seriously weird editing choices made with this movie. The friend I saw it with thought that it came out as a totally different movie around the middle, so I wonder if that was a cause.

In terms of the plot, some of the movie just felt superfluous. Joker didn't need to be in this movie, beyond some flashbacks, and Enchantress was one of the blandest movie antagonists I've ever seen, even worse than Doom in Fant4stic.

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#2588: Aug 10th 2016 at 7:37:14 AM

At least with Enchantress, she wasn't "in costume" until the last act of the movie. And at least when Jane broke that artifact, it's not she knew it contained a demoness. Also her motivations is comprehensible "I want humans to worship me again"

Meanwhile with 4Doom, it's "I'm gonna explore an entirely different and unknown planet under a fit of drunken jealously despite me having a super high IQ because...... LOL" And "Government and big businesses are gonna ruin my new planet so I'm gonna destroy all of humanity because.... LOL"

edited 10th Aug '16 7:50:46 AM by NoName999

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#2589: Aug 10th 2016 at 9:01:50 AM

How 'Suicide Squad' Showcases Nasty Side of Fandom in 2016

It's an article talking about the rather extreme critical backlash from fans of Suicide Squad, and how the fandom mentality possibly formed into that. It's still weird to me that some DCEU fans really feel like there's a conspiracy to put down their films just because professional critics don't seem to like them.

bookworm6390 Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Abstaining
#2590: Aug 10th 2016 at 9:08:01 AM

Fanboys are crazy. Think about what would happen if they had super powers(ala Superboy Prime).

ManOfSin Since: Mar, 2015
#2591: Aug 10th 2016 at 12:01:32 PM

Just watched.

Easily the worst handling of an ensemble cast in any superhero movie this year.

Katana was more underutilized than Psylocke who was just a henchmen in X-men: Apocalypse.

Cruherrx I say things. from my own little world Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
I say things.
#2592: Aug 10th 2016 at 12:25:24 PM

David Ayer spills

"If you weren't so crazy I'd think you were insane."
flameboy21th The would-be novelist from California Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
The would-be novelist
#2593: Aug 10th 2016 at 12:29:00 PM

[up][up]That's... rather hard to achieve.

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#2594: Aug 10th 2016 at 1:02:16 PM

[up][up] Well, now we know where the Bat-Brand was placed on the Joker.

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#2595: Aug 10th 2016 at 1:07:02 PM

So I'm suppose to like Dawn of Justice because it's "smart", but I'm also suppose to like SS even though it's "dumb"?

lol entitled nerd fandoms.

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#2596: Aug 10th 2016 at 5:32:14 PM

Meanwhile with 4Doom, it's "I'm gonna explore an entirely different and unknown planet under a fit of drunken jealously despite me having a super high IQ because...... LOL" And "Government and big businesses are gonna ruin my new planet so I'm gonna destroy all of humanity because.... LOL"

That, and it's only natural to expect better, deeper characterization from Dr. Doom than from the Enchantress. Because one is Dr. Motherfreakin' Doom, Marvel's Premier Villain, and the other is the Enchantress.

BigK1337 Since: Jun, 2012
#2597: Aug 10th 2016 at 6:11:45 PM

[up] Not to mention it's not even the Marvel Enchantress who is basically the one female villain I really wished Marvel Studios adapted in the Thor films.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#2598: Aug 10th 2016 at 7:16:48 PM

Still for all her blunder & shitty character, the fact that we got a female big bad & actually engaged in physical fight with the protagonists is something to say the least.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
ManOfSin Since: Mar, 2015
#2599: Aug 11th 2016 at 12:17:45 AM

@flameboy21th

But not impossible. Seriously, this could have done away with her, Flag, Croc, and Boomerang.

ManOfSin Since: Mar, 2015
#2600: Aug 11th 2016 at 12:26:41 AM

Double post.

edited 11th Aug '16 12:27:13 AM by ManOfSin


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