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jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#401: Jul 13th 2022 at 4:06:35 PM

Everyone here is taken it as a given that she would've killed Gus, but creator interviews, seem to indicate they don't know if she would've pulled the trigger if given the chance. Just the fact that she was willing to go to that door is indicative of her love, but they are not sure she could have actually killed him. (Open in incognito mode [ctrl+shift+n] if paywalled).

Edited by jjjj2 on Jul 13th 2022 at 7:06:52 AM

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BorneAgain (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#402: Jul 18th 2022 at 8:21:34 PM

That cut from Kim and Jimmy's break-up to BB era Saul has to be one of the most effective television gut punches I've ever experienced.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#403: Jul 18th 2022 at 8:41:06 PM

I feel like Saul's easily the most complex character in the Breaking Bad universe now, eclipsing even Walter.

The legend has returned.
Millardkillmoore Since: Mar, 2010
#404: Jul 18th 2022 at 9:15:57 PM

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Remember how Breaking Bad Saul was a cartoonish caricature meant as one-note comic relief? Remember how his greed, wisecracks, and slimeball antics were generally good for a few laughs even as the storyline got darker? Turns out he’s actually the broken shell of a man who lost everyone he ever cared about until his empathy and whatever remained of his ethics were gone and only a callous Amoral Attorney remained. Turns out that he’s been spending all that drug money trying to fill a void that no amount of material possessions can ever fill.

Edited by Millardkillmoore on Jul 18th 2022 at 10:02:53 AM

beneficii Since: Nov, 2011
#405: Jul 18th 2022 at 9:33:59 PM

Jimmy said he was "yitzing" Howard. is that a new word? I can't find it in the dictionary.

For all the distance in their relationship, Cheryl seemed to know Howard pretty well, and she did not buy Jimmy's story. She thinks there's something more to Howard's death.

Oh crap. Was Jimmy supposed to go in the car with Kim, but Kim just drove off without him? She seems to feel really bad about how she set up Howard. Could this be how she dies? She changes her story and tries to reveal the truth about what happened to Howard and Gus has her killed?

Now that's the Saul Goodman we all know and love!

Edited by beneficii on Jul 18th 2022 at 9:56:55 AM

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#406: Jul 18th 2022 at 10:00:12 PM

...No, it's not a new word.

A yitz is a scam. Yitzing someone, therefore, means to scam them.

dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#407: Jul 19th 2022 at 4:21:02 AM

It's a Jewish word too. Seems on-brand for Saul Goodman.

Okey Dokey!
merklyn Since: Feb, 2011
#408: Jul 19th 2022 at 6:02:16 AM

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What'd be the point of her dying now? Her part in the formation of Saul is done, he's a broken husk of a man.

Mullon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#409: Jul 19th 2022 at 6:02:31 PM

That's the only time I can remember someone effectively putting Mike in his place.

Never trust anyone who uses "degenerate" as an insult.
Millardkillmoore Since: Mar, 2010
#410: Jul 19th 2022 at 7:45:52 PM

It's a reminder that Mike's whole code is a bullshit coping mechanism he uses to deal with the guilt of what he does for a living and not something that somehow makes him a better person than the other criminals he associates with.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#411: Jul 19th 2022 at 7:47:23 PM

I mean, he's responsible for Howard's death not Saul but he's blaming Saul.

Mike's Start of Darkness is that Dirty Cop types killed his son.

Now he's a Dirty Cop or at least every bit as dirty.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#412: Jul 20th 2022 at 8:20:32 AM

Re the word "Yitz" -

I'm not holding myself out as any kind of expert on Yiddish/Jewish terms, but I've never heard of it, and from a Google search, I don't find the scam meaning being listed on any reputable dictionary kind of source.

Like there's one sort of sub-Urban Dictionary site, but no hits come up for Yiddish dictionary websites.

I'm open to being proved wrong, but I suspect it's Yiddish sounding gibberish, which is appropriate for Saul/Jimmy.

Specifically, it kind of makes me think of the words "kibbitz" (to joke around) and "yutz" (someone who is gullible) and I can see how with those in mind, "yitz" sounds like it could be the Yiddish word for scamming.

Mullon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#413: Jul 20th 2022 at 9:34:48 AM

I wonder what Gus' problem was though.

Never trust anyone who uses "degenerate" as an insult.
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#414: Jul 20th 2022 at 3:20:19 PM

You mean at the bar? I just assumed he felt the need to celebrate and unwind, possibly find love with the waiter, but as soon as he finished his wine, he realized he still had work to do and left.

The legend has returned.
dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#415: Jul 21st 2022 at 5:09:25 AM

Y'know, I dunno what to think of Kim's thought process in "Fun and Games". For as strong, smart, and charismatic as she is, she's a much darker person than even Jimmy is. I also don't believe that Jimmy made her worse. That just seems like an excuse, because the shoplifting flashback makes clear she wasn't entirely a saint prior to meeting Jimmy.

At Howard's wake, she chooses to use Howard's final words to gaslight his widow into believing something horrible, all to avoid feeling guilt over what happened. And rather than face up to the consequences of her actions, she chooses to run. Which makes me wonder, is she really made of that "sterner stuff" that Mike seemed to believe she was made of?

Okey Dokey!
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#416: Jul 21st 2022 at 10:54:02 AM

Is the stronger choice to choose to stay? She leaves because she knows if she stays it'll just be more of this, forever. I think it demonstrates tremendous strength of character to leave the law, to decide she can't be trusted with it and she has no place in it, no matter how much she loves it and loves helping people. And I think it demonstrates tremendous strength of character to leave Jimmy, a person she loves and who makes her happy, because she knows that sustaining that relationship will mean both of them decide to hurt more people for fun. (As for whether Jimmy is "bad for her", she makes it very clear when she leaves that she thinks she's making him worse as well—that their bad instincts feed one another.)

What would facing up to the consequences involve? She'd have to be willing to put Jimmy behind bars. Mike, too. And Mike would never let that happen—there'd be a bullet in her head the moment she became a risk to not only him, but Gus—she knows what he looks like, what he sounds like, and where he lives. To say nothing of the fact that—and look, I don't wanna get too political here—but the show clearly does not have the utmost faith in the justice system to do the right thing unaided. Why would Kim submit herself to its judgement in the first place? There's just nothing to be gained here.

I think it's nevertheless admirable, demonstrates "sterner stuff", to do what you can to mitigate the damage, and destroy parts of your life that mean a lot to you in the process.

Edited by Wackd on Jul 21st 2022 at 1:56:34 PM

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
dmcreif Vault Dweller from Vault 33 (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Robosexual
Vault Dweller
#417: Jul 21st 2022 at 11:43:44 AM

I mean, I know we have four episodes left to see the rest of the pieces, but as it were now, this feels like "Kim lit the match and then ran". She pushed Jimmy into the scam with Howard and even admitted she didn’t tell Jimmy that Lalo was alive because she was having too much fun scamming Howard. Now that there are finally serious consequences to her actions, she is bailing on him.

Plus, I seem to recall a conversation Mike and Jimmy had in the desert about her being in the game because she knows his business. So I doubt she's out of the woods.

Okey Dokey!
Millardkillmoore Since: Mar, 2010
#418: Jul 21st 2022 at 7:13:58 PM

If they want me onboard for some kind of redemption for Kim and/or Saul during the Gene era, then they better inform Cheryl about what happened to Howard. Gaslighting her about that is one of the most heinous things anyone has done in either series.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#419: Jul 21st 2022 at 9:52:49 PM

Now that there are finally serious consequences to her actions, she is bailing on him.
From her perspective, the entire reason those consequences exist is because of the two of them together, egging each other on. Leaving him is her trying to make sure nothing worse happens because she feels tempted to bring him into a scam, or vice versa.

Edited by Wackd on Jul 21st 2022 at 12:53:11 PM

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
beneficii Since: Nov, 2011
#420: Jul 25th 2022 at 6:14:32 PM

Oh wow, extended Gene sequence. It's been going for over 10 minutes.

EDIT: More than halfway, and it's still shown nothing but Gene.

EDIT 2: Wow. All Gene all black and white. He just can't help himself and continues pulling schemes with people. At least he got that inquisitive guy off his back.

Edited by beneficii on Jul 25th 2022 at 6:59:11 AM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#421: Jul 25th 2022 at 7:17:14 PM

That robbery was the tensest scene in either show, even though the stakes are ridiculously low this time. Also, I know the guy had a different name, but that older security guard is definitely Jerry.

The legend has returned.
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#422: Jul 25th 2022 at 7:34:32 PM

He just can't help himself and continues pulling schemes with people.
I think him hanging up the shirt and tie at the end is a sign he can help himself, now.

Edited by Wackd on Jul 25th 2022 at 10:34:47 AM

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
MisterTambourineMan Unbeugsame Klinge from Under a tree Since: Jun, 2017 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
Unbeugsame Klinge
#423: Jul 25th 2022 at 7:50:23 PM

I think part of the tragedy of Jimmy/Saul/Gene's life is that he can connect with people easily, but rather than doing so for the sake of companionship he does it to manipulate people.

Nach jeder Ebbe kommt die Flut.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#424: Jul 25th 2022 at 8:00:11 PM

To be fair, his life was a miserable Ironic Hell.

He's not losing much.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Mullon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#425: Jul 26th 2022 at 6:01:02 PM

He hasn't learned his lesson at all, after everything!

Never trust anyone who uses "degenerate" as an insult.

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