Marvel's Infinity War

Or ya know it's the mind gem because it behaves like the mind gem and MARVEL PUT IT IN THE MONTAGE OF INFINITY STONES. I don't get why there is such pushback against this. If it were just a case of showing a weapon connected to the Tesseract then they would have put the HYDRA guns in there too, which they didn't.

If it's not a stone why are they putting it up there? There's any number of reasons that it's the same color with the most obvious being they simply hadn't decided on the Stones plot for Phase 2 yet.

edited 29th Oct '14 4:33:31 PM by comicwriter

Quite simply? I don't want it to be.

Well that's fine but the evidence and stance from the actual company making the movies says it is.

Yes, the Mind Gem is definitely known for shooting blasts of energy.

Yes, and Marvel's trailers for Winter Soldier made it look like a whole different movie, too. Trailers always lie.

People have listed several reasons why whenever this discussion comes up. Let's start with the first one, which is: You don't give something with that kind of power to someone you don't trust absolutely. If Thanos willingly handed over any of the Stones to Loki, he is an idiot.

We saw the Stones' colors in Guardians of the Galaxy. That is to say, a Phase Two film. Which was not actually obligated to show the others at all. If they'd wanted the staff to be the Mind Gem they could have easily made one of the other stones blue as well. They didn't.

Until Marvel actually comes out and says it, Marvel has no "stance" on the staff. Dialogue from the actual films says that it is not.

edited 29th Oct '14 4:37:26 PM by CorrTerek

I prefer to wait for explicit confirmation. Which I define as either the films, or someone who works on the films, specifically stating "Loki's scepter is the Mind Stone."

edited 29th Oct '14 4:38:26 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Because it was already established as being blue.

Okay if you're so set on being right that you're going to claim they put it in the montage of stones for no reason other than to lie, then it's clear you're just being contrary for the sake of it.

And no at no point in the film is it ever stated to not be an Infinity Stone.

edited 29th Oct '14 4:39:54 PM by comicwriter

Then they could have put a second blue stone in Got G. Got G did not have to adhere to any previous depiction of the Stones because there was none. Don't know why this is difficult to understand.

I am pointing out that Marvel has been known to mislead in the past. And you're ignoring all my other points.

"The Tesseract can't fight against itself." Until another movie says otherwise, that means that the staff is derived from the Tesseract. Nothing more, nothing less. If it's derived from the Tesseract, it is not the Mind Gem.

edited 29th Oct '14 4:41:39 PM by CorrTerek

It isn't difficult to understand, you're just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point. I've already stated my theory as to why it might not be its true color but you simply claimed you don't buy it, which is fine.

But you're just fighting to fight at this point.

edited 29th Oct '14 4:41:21 PM by comicwriter

Technically, it's not lying. The scepter would have a connection to the Tesseract, and the trailer also showed a scene of Tony after going through the portal, so I think it also had a larger theme of "cosmic power in Marvel movies" or something like that.

edited 29th Oct '14 4:41:58 PM by KarkatTheDalek

And I'll say again, were that the case, they would have included the HYDRA weapons from the first Captain America movie. If they were trying to make a broader point about what can be created from the gems, sure, but as of right now what explicitly saw was the Scepter right up there onscreen with the Tesseract, the Aether, and the Power Stone.

Actually, I'm trying to point out the evidence behind my argument, because saying "You're just fighting to fight" assumes that I'm not arguing because I think I have a valid argument. Frankly, it's kind of insulting.

The Scepter is also something connected to Thanos, hence "cosmic" and whatnot. Hydra's weapons, while powered by the Tesseract, were explicitly manmade.

edited 29th Oct '14 4:45:49 PM by KarkatTheDalek

I'm not trying to be insulting I'm saying there's evidence right there on the screen that it's a Stone and that Marvel considers it such, and your response was to quite literally say "Not true because Marvel lies in their trailers." If your response to actual onscreen evidence is "It's a lie" then I'm going to assume you just don't like that your particular theory has been Jossed.

It doesn't matter. They're still created from and powered by a cosmic weapon.

edited 29th Oct '14 4:48:03 PM by comicwriter

Yes, that is literally what I said.

What I meant — and I clarified as such — is that Marvel is known to mislead in their trailers. Also, that basing an argument on a trailer (which are notoriously unreliable — we have a trope for that) isn't basing it on very strong evidence.

And, again, you ignored pretty much everything else I said and accused me of arguing in bad faith. I don't particularly care for that.

Why do you get to decide that? You don't know what the actual thought process was in making the trailer.

Hell, maybe they just didn't think the Hydra weapons really fit.

edited 29th Oct '14 4:52:40 PM by KarkatTheDalek

I don't know the thought process behind the trailer but what I do know is what's onscreen, and it's the Scepter, a weapon similar to the Reality Gem that for some mysterious reason Marvel has deemed important enough to reuse in The Winter Soldier stinger and Age of Ultron while doing a running plot about the Infinity Stones, was shown right up there onscreen during a montage of the Infinity Stones seen during the movies.

edited 29th Oct '14 4:55:38 PM by comicwriter

Just for the record, the Baron is not really Hydra. He is only using Hydra to further his own goals.

So we have the aether presumable at the collector (knowwhere?), the gauntlet and the tesseract on Asgard, the gem on Xandar and the sceptre, whatever its importance is, on earth.

Where was it claimed the Baron isn't HYDRA? The closest implication is him saying HYDRA and SHIELD don't need to be connected anymore, and that was time to move past the age of spies.

According to Agents of SHIELD there are multiple HYDRA cells anyway that don't seem to be working with one another.

I think she was referring to the scene where the Baron says he has no problem feeding some of the other HYDRA cells to Cap and Falcon as long as it keeps them away from his work with the scepter.

Yeah, right after making some remarks about Hydra which suggests that he has his own goals. "Hydra, Shield, two sides of a coin that is no longer currency"

edited 29th Oct '14 6:21:48 PM by swanpride

Judging by his "age of miracles" speech, it sounds to me more like he's saying that HYDRA needs to update with the times. The "no longer currency" meaning that the time of staying in the shadows as spies is obsolete. Confiding to your loyal HYDRA lieutenant in a room full of HYDRA scientists that you're only in it for yourself is a pretty bad idea.

edited 29th Oct '14 6:41:28 PM by Tuckerscreator

We also saw Nick Fury's face, Mjolnir, and the nuke Tony threw depicted prominently in the teaser as well; I feel reasonably confident saying none of those are Infinity Gems.

Nick Fury's face is totally an Infinity Gem. He hides it behind his good eye.

edited 29th Oct '14 6:53:11 PM by KnownUnknown

The Winter Soldier ended with Nick Fury lifting his eyepatch and firing his Infinity Eye Lazor at Pierce, frying him, HYDRA, and all the Helicarriers.

Oh, and it's a purple eye beam.

edited 29th Oct '14 7:01:19 PM by Tuckerscreator

So the blue gem in Thanos' gauntlet is from Loki's staff right? I sure got that impression.