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Nov 30th 2021 at 6:56:56 PM

It matters more for powers to be consistent with themselves than with reality. I think there are maybe some arguments that Hagakure has issues on that front, and if so, that's fair enough.

But arguments to the effect of "this doesn't conform to how it would work in reality" seems to be missing the point of fiction in general, and superpower fiction especially.

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Nov 30th 2021 at 6:59:10 PM

Well, given what has happened, she is likely to actually get some focus and do stuff. So, he'll have to think more concrete details to her Quirk, among other things.

Edited by Blueace on Nov 30th 2021 at 11:59:21 AM

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Nov 30th 2021 at 7:09:58 PM

Personally, I find the easiest explanation to be that Hagakure's quirk allows her some control over the exact level to which light passes through her body, with total invisibility being the default, but with active manipulation allowing her just enough opacity to refract light.

It's established in-universe that the understanding of a quirk's nature can be refined, so it would be easy to just say they called it "invisibility" before they were aware she had the ability to manipulate the degree of transparency that her body has.

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Gun Girl
Nov 30th 2021 at 7:27:12 PM

I actually came up with a headcanon a few months back that was, admittedly, piggybacking off a popular headcanon I've seen about Bakugou being deaf (obviously not supported by canon but I like the fanart). I think I'd read somewhere (or maybe saw it on an old Cracked article) that invisibility would blind a person because light wouldn't reflect off their corneas, and that got me thinking of Hagakure being blind and having her other senses heightened.

Just a nifty lil' idea I was thinking of saving for a fanfic.

"..." -Constanze Amalie von Braunchsbank Albrechtsberger
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Nov 30th 2021 at 7:42:48 PM

[up] Now I'm just thinking of a person being invisible, like Toru, except their eyes are visible. Not the rest of their head, just the eyes. And when they blink, somehow the eyes get covered up by the invisible eyelids.

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Gun Girl
Nov 30th 2021 at 7:50:17 PM

That's just disturbing.

"..." -Constanze Amalie von Braunchsbank Albrechtsberger
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Nov 30th 2021 at 7:52:21 PM

I think that’s how some version of the invisible man worked. Totally invisible except some floating corneas

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Nov 30th 2021 at 8:07:05 PM

They do use that logic with Mirio's Permeability too, in that when he's permeable, light just passes through him, rendering him blind, same for air not filling his lungs.

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Nov 30th 2021 at 8:18:22 PM

I'm reminded how in Ultimates, Blue Marvel points out to Spectrum that logically with her power to turn into pure light she shouldn't be able to hear or see.

He then speculates that she possesses a form of cosmic awareness that allows her to access the energies of the universe to be able to see, hear, and talk in pure light mode.

Which is then proven to be true as Monica taps into the universe to spread herself across vast distances to witness things light-years beyond Earth.

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Nov 30th 2021 at 8:28:41 PM

There was something similar in an issue of Fantastic Four. Reed explains that when Sue's invisible, her eyes pick up a different wavelength outside of the visible light spectrum (cosmic rays, if I recall right) and that's why things look black and white to her when she's invisible.

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Nov 30th 2021 at 8:41:43 PM

[up] So basically, a type of Predator-vision?

(The mask got multiple filters to see through.)

Edited by TitanJump on Nov 30th 2021 at 5:42:49 PM

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Nov 30th 2021 at 9:22:41 PM

I thought the implication was that Toru's invisibility was just another application of light manipulation, like she's bending light in such a way that it all avoids her instead of being reflected off her, Latios/Latias style.

Edited by LilyLopunny on Nov 30th 2021 at 9:23:53 AM

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Nov 30th 2021 at 9:26:19 PM

One of the problems with Hagakure’s quirk is that it’s not clear how she got past either the entrance exam or Aizawa’s tests on the first day of class, given that she didn’t show anything more than invisibility at that point. With every other member of 1A you can explain how they did something in those tests with the powers they showed at that point in the series.

I expect this will be explained in the upcoming arc.

Nov 30th 2021 at 9:28:46 PM

I don't see this explains any of that away. If you're thinking she had tricks she's been hiding until now that would explain it away, that idea is just not compatible for explaining how she passed a public exam in which everything she did was monitored.

You can have, but not both.

Nov 30th 2021 at 9:32:08 PM

My interpretation of Hagakure's quirk was pretty much like Japanese Teeth's, with the complete transparency being the default state and then later developing capacity to somewhat control the light passing through her.

Though, there was this one time where Horikoshi answered a fan question that Toga wouldn't become transparent by injesting Hagakure's blood, either in one of the volume extras or during some kind of Q&A in an event, I don't quite remember exactly where. Now this was before Toga managed to use her disguise's quirk. (Otherwise there wouldn't be a point in asking such a question. If she had access to the target's quirk of course she could become transparent.) This was kind of eyebrow-raising because it implies that being transparent is not her default appearance but rather a result of active quirk usage. Which is a pretty significant thing considering that she is transparent all the time. Ahhh I wish I remembered where exactly that was from so that I could confirm it. Does anybody else remember this?

Hmm, by the way, if Hagakure's invisibility is an active quirk usage that has an implication for Aizawa's Erasure. Aizawa's used his quirk on the entire class at least once, in a semi-comedic passing way intimidating the class into silence. Which means he couldn't Erase the invisibility just because... he couldn't see her.

Nov 30th 2021 at 9:36:29 PM

Unless she was faking being knocked out during the gas-attack (I suppose possible, but it seemed like she was out for days, so highly unlikely) it doesn't seem like staying invisible is a thing she has to actively do.

Then again, I guess it could be she has to actively turn it on, but then it's just on until she wants to actively turn it off? But seems less likely given other things in the setting, funnily enough. At least to me.

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Nov 30th 2021 at 9:50:53 PM

> Which means he couldn't Erase the invisibility just because... he couldn't see her.

I... huh... I can't say that would wouldn't work, I guess. But that means her quirk is basically the only counter to Aizawa's, and thus you'd think AFO would want that for himself.

Though I wonder if Aizawa could turn off Froppy's camouflage either, then?

But either way, AFO could just: Step 1: Steal invis quirk Step 2: Use invis quirk to steal Erasure Step 3: Be both invisible and erasing everyone's quirks Step 4: Profit

Oh god, imagine Aizawa's quirk mixed with Shoji's too, his "line of sight" would just be a full radial area and there'd be no escape.

Imagine all three of these together, even. Terrifying thought.

Edited by LilyLopunny on Nov 30th 2021 at 9:51:25 AM

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Nov 30th 2021 at 10:32:03 PM

Unless she was faking being knocked out during the gas-attack (I suppose possible, but it seemed like she was out for days, so highly unlikely) it doesn't seem like staying invisible is a thing she has to actively do.

The traitor theories I've seen often included Hagakure being genuinely unconscious after the camp incident, which meant she wasn't able to pass information to All for One or the League of Villains about the raid plan or Kirishima's rescue attempt.

"..." -Constanze Amalie von Braunchsbank Albrechtsberger
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Nov 30th 2021 at 10:46:51 PM

I still wonder about that. If she was the traitor, then why did she get knocked out there? Wouldn't she have known to stay far away from the action?

Did Mustard get her caught in the crossfire by genuine accident, or through just not caring?

Speaking of Mustard, whatever happened to him. He seemed to have a lot of issues with society, not unlike the LOV now, yet Moonfish gets to come back while Mustard hasn't.

Edited by LilyLopunny on Nov 30th 2021 at 10:49:47 AM

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Dec 1st 2021 at 2:34:42 AM

If she's trying to stay undercover she can't just run away, not to mention that isolated in the camp she couldn't possibly know when the LOV would actually attack.

Mustard's quirk is an indiscriminate aoe. Not only would he probably not care, he probably doesn't even know there's a LOV mole among the students.

She just got caught in the crossfire because they happened to be doing an outdoor activity when the attack took place.

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Dec 1st 2021 at 3:30:08 AM

Considering the options of who to run into, Mustard was also by far the safest option to maintain her cover.

Dec 1st 2021 at 3:34:33 AM

I don't know about that. If it wasn't for Momo and her gas masks, Mustard would have had a ridiculous kill count.

Dec 1st 2021 at 5:09:32 AM

If she was the traitor, then why did she get knocked out there? Wouldn't she have known to stay far away from the action?

You're expecting too much good will out of All For One.

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Dec 1st 2021 at 5:28:08 AM

I do think that if Mustard managed to have killed Tooru, he’d likely have to answer to All for One since he killed the spy he was using to get information out of U.A.

Back again with a stupid question but if either Mordecai and Rigby along with their friends and allies from Regular Show or Bowser and his army randomly appeared during the War arc in front of Midnight, who would cause the most changes?

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Dec 1st 2021 at 5:58:24 AM

IIRC mustard's gas is not actually lethal


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