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GlitterCat Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
#80851: Jun 24th 2025 at 4:54:25 PM

Sidelining bakugo and shoto once would feel like a disservice. Sidelining them multiple times for contrived reasons would be infuriating. And I didn't even like bakugo until he apologized but I still feel he needs to be present and fairly prominent. I love tenya and ochako, they're both in my top 5 favorite characters but I wouldn't want to dismiss bakugo and shoto outright.

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JG98 Since: Feb, 2014
#80852: Jun 25th 2025 at 3:58:50 AM

I honestly think that Shoto would have made for a better protagonist than Izuku. grin

selkies TOO serious! from Guess, guess, guess Since: Jan, 2021 Relationship Status: Star-crossed
TOO serious!
#80853: Jun 26th 2025 at 5:40:44 AM

If Shoto was the protagonist some wouldn't like it and would say he's underwhelming and boring even though that was the initial point until he got fleshed out and developed to open up and be more cooperative.

I think he works better as a tritagonist but I would swap him with Bakugo sometimes as his arc about forgiveness + acceptance on his own terms, his brother, going all out using both of his powers and coming up with new moves is much more interesting than a bully turned friend via guilt and late maturity (I feel like we see this before as in the overarching themes of A Silent Voice. It's well written but not exciting or new). Shoto has main screentime potential I'm glad people see this and how well written he is :)

[up] I wonder why you think he makes a better mc than Izuku? Would his arc be replaced or would Izuku and Shouto switch mc position but the same story lines?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#80854: Jun 26th 2025 at 8:28:41 AM

I feel pretty firmly that he could work as the protagonist of a story, but not this story. Which is why he isn't.

asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#80855: Jul 2nd 2025 at 11:27:54 AM

Chris's theme from the Vigilante anime fits him perfectly

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#80856: Jul 2nd 2025 at 12:20:07 PM

My Hero: All's Justice announced.

Edited by Blueace on Jul 2nd 2025 at 3:20:23 PM

Wake me up at your own risk.
Shadow-Whisperer Comedy guy from Tacoland Since: Jun, 2022
Comedy guy
#80857: Jul 2nd 2025 at 8:05:55 PM

[up] I really, really hope they add Vigilantes characters to the game. It's been such a missed opportunity to not have Koichi and Deku geek out about All Might hoodies.

MisterZygarde64 Crazy Crossover Creator - A Man with Many Hypoth from New Mobotropolis, Mushroom Kingdom Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Crazy Crossover Creator - A Man with Many Hypoth
#80858: Jul 2nd 2025 at 8:38:49 PM

I will always maintain that a platformer inspired by Kirby or a Mario and Luigi style RPG would fit the series well.

The latter especially if they had Ochako and Tenya in the spotlight instead of Katsuki and Shouto

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#80859: Jul 3rd 2025 at 7:02:28 PM

Came across this video about Endeavour and his story.

Technically there's no spoilers, as it doesn't talk about anything that hasn't' happened yet (not passing what the most recent season of the anime has covered), but if you're still worried about spoilers, feel free to come back to this after the series is done.

Notably, it makes reference to the idea that Redemption and Atonement are not the same thing. Something I've only heard from Tobias Drake. But this sums up why I like Endeavour's story. He's far more fascinating as someone who starts out awful, realizes how awful he is when he wins in the worst way, tries to be better, has everything blow up in his face....and still tries to be better anyway, while knowing he's probably burned that bridge.

It's easy to try to atone when you think it might be possible, but continuing to do so when you know you're already !@#$%-ed truly means something.

Edit: Didn't plan on putting up anything else so soon, but came across this AMV using a song Sky Show from the old Stan Lee created anime, The Reflection.

I'd been watching clip of this song quite a bit lately, and it fits really well with MHA, so now I'm letting all my fellow tropers get a taste.

....I-Guy is awesome.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Jul 3rd 2025 at 7:52:05 AM

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diddyknux (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#80860: Jul 3rd 2025 at 8:43:58 PM

I don't know if Endeavor's Redemption is that controversial anymore. It's one of those things that in the moment, it seemed like too big an ask - But now, with the whole picture, and it clearly not being some triumphant Heel-Face Turn, I think people are mostly more accepting. Not universally of course, but nothing is.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#80861: Jul 3rd 2025 at 9:14:15 PM

I think it helps that he ends the series horrifically maimed, but still swears to keep trying. That proves he's not doing it to look good, but because he's truly devoted to it. No doubt, however much life he has left (he lost an arm, and is probably crippled for life) is probably going to burn up faster than than fly in a bug zapper, but you believe him when he says I'm atoning all day, every day.

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AlexHopeLife Since: Feb, 2025
#80862: Jul 9th 2025 at 9:13:04 AM

Something I wonder is, when the anime ends, will they decide to make their own "The Last"?

LoneCourier0 The Wandering Geek from A Diverse Land (Unitroper) Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
The Wandering Geek
#80863: Jul 9th 2025 at 9:25:42 AM

Depends if Hori lets BONES go as far in portraying how Izuku and Ochako tie the knot.

"Cynicism is not realistic and tough. It's unrealistic and kind of cowardly because it means you don't have to try."
AlexHopeLife Since: Feb, 2025
#80864: Jul 9th 2025 at 9:26:40 AM

Hori didn't bother to develop that couple, he should let others do it.

LoneCourier0 The Wandering Geek from A Diverse Land (Unitroper) Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
The Wandering Geek
#80865: Jul 9th 2025 at 9:27:42 AM

He developed it in his own pace, but otherwise, yeah.

"Cynicism is not realistic and tough. It's unrealistic and kind of cowardly because it means you don't have to try."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#80866: Jul 9th 2025 at 12:15:12 PM

Another video from the same guy as the Endeavour video, this time on Toga.

I think this sums her up quite well. I'm still frustrated that Toga just gets to !@#$% right off, without ever recognizing the feelings of those she hurt, but at the same time, it's impossible to ignore that she didn't reach that point through her own choices, even if she did choose to continue living that life.

But I've always been kinda torn on Toga. I recognize why she is how she is, even as I kinda loath it as well.

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AlexHopeLife Since: Feb, 2025
#80867: Jul 9th 2025 at 12:30:32 PM

The only positive thing Toga did was save the woman she developed an obsessive love for.

Whether that counts as redemption is ambiguous.

GlitterCat Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
#80868: Jul 9th 2025 at 12:36:53 PM

I hate her. Himiko cries about how oppressed she was but by choosing to live free, the way she wants, she is choosing murder. Ochako was way kinder at dealing with her than anyone. I don't think I could be as nice as Ochako at dealing with her. Himiko reminds me of Harley Quinn, another gleeful yandere girl I can't stand.

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AlexHopeLife Since: Feb, 2025
#80869: Jul 9th 2025 at 12:41:23 PM

I think Toga is partly idealized, because of her lesbian ship with Ochako. (It doesn't help that a part of the fandom considers that there is more romantic chemistry between them than Ochako had with Deku)

Edited by AlexHopeLife on Jul 9th 2025 at 12:42:18 PM

TomWithoutJerry Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good. from Where Might Makes Right and I have no Might. Since: Dec, 2023
Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good.
#80870: Jul 9th 2025 at 12:49:42 PM

Harley has less of an excuse than Toga, because she was an adult who got into a relationship with The Worst Man Ever out of her own free will. She should've known better, while Toga is still at that age where we're all stupid with a childhood far worse than Harley's. And Harley gets away with being hailed a heroine/anti heroine after all she's done, while Toga pays a high price for her actions.

Toga is broken, way too much to have a normal human train of thought. She doesn't fall under a literal insanity plea— arguably Moonfish would, I've always thought he shouldn't be in Death Row because he strikes me as genuinely insane— but at the same time she has a Blue-and-Orange Morality so ingrained in her mind that I don't feel like judging her too much, because I'm not sure she could really do any better at all without years and years of psychiatric treatment.

Edited by TomWithoutJerry on Jul 9th 2025 at 3:50:23 PM

Please remember that, ultimately, fictional works of entertainment are just that.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#80871: Jul 9th 2025 at 2:19:10 PM

I also don't like Toga. I made a statement after the episode with her death (having long since come to terms with it in the manga) about it, that I'll see about digging up here.

Toga is the kind of character where, after you know the full details, you still don't have to like her, but you know why she ended up where she did, why she doubled down on it, and to be quite frank, why her story couldn't end any other way than it did beyond in prison until she dies anyway.

She only got the ending she did because Ochako was willing to go to bat for her, and I think that was more important for Ochako than it was for Toga, because if she's going to go that far for someone who stabbed her, than we know she'll do the same for anyone else.

Toga is a very frustrating character, because of what she does, and because of what was done to her. Which means she's probably exactly what she was supposed to be.

Edit: Found it. Here's the post in the thread.

And here it is in a quote:

Today's episode brings up all my issues with Toga.

Himiko Toga is a selfish girl, wanting to be loved and understood, but arguably refusing to understand others, only accepting love on her terms which means drinking the blood of people. When the girl she was so sure was like her actually tried to reach out to her, Toga rejected it and stabbed her, making it as difficult as possible to talk to her and then when she finally realized said girl actually didn't hate her, she finally relented. She then (by her own admission) killed herself so that she wouldn't need to face up to her crimes, refusing to take responsibility to the very end. She also left the girl she saved traumatized over her inability to save her.

Himiko Toga was also a girl who was failed by society in damn near every way that counted. Her parents refused to even try to understand her, the councillor she got gave her shit advice about being normal, and ultimately, Toga, trying to live up to unfair and impossible standards from people who never tried to reach out to her (despite that literally being their job as her parents) snapped and started doing what she want so that she could live freely. She only found acceptance once she joined the League, who may have enabled her worst impulses, but also supported her, until she finally found someone else who accepted her for who she was in Ochako. She then gave up her live to save the only other person who'd ever reached out to her in her life, finally being able to help someone she cared about (even if she's the reason that person as in danger).

These are my feelings on Toga. Both equally true from my standpoint. The tragedy of all the good she could have done with her quirk makes her death a sad thing. Her decision to deliberately avoid responsibility is frustrating. Then again, what future did she really have? She'd killed multiple people, been part of a terrorist organization, and was already basically a pariah. I don't got an answer.

Ultimately, her ending was not a happy one, but it was possibly the only one for her.

Hmm. This might be one of my best posts. But yeah, those are my thoughts.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Jul 9th 2025 at 2:24:28 AM

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LoneCourier0 The Wandering Geek from A Diverse Land (Unitroper) Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
The Wandering Geek
#80872: Jul 13th 2025 at 11:57:03 AM

So, what do you guys think if James Gunn gets to know and see MHA?

"Cynicism is not realistic and tough. It's unrealistic and kind of cowardly because it means you don't have to try."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#80873: Jul 13th 2025 at 12:04:51 PM

He might like it, considering what I just saw him do with Superman.

Idealism is cool. Hard-earned, but cool.

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AlexHopeLife Since: Feb, 2025
#80874: Jul 13th 2025 at 12:24:44 PM

Based largely on his "Why nerf Superman?" interview

James Gunn probably wouldn't like All Might (and by extension Deku in his prime) to be so powerful compared to the rest, since that would limit the narrative and the role that the other characters can play.

That is, he wrote Superman with the intention that he would be powerful, but not much more powerful than the rest.

Edited by AlexHopeLife on Jul 13th 2025 at 12:31:49 PM

LoneCourier0 The Wandering Geek from A Diverse Land (Unitroper) Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
The Wandering Geek
#80875: Jul 13th 2025 at 12:30:30 PM

Well, he could eventually like All Might and Deku when he watches more of it.

"Cynicism is not realistic and tough. It's unrealistic and kind of cowardly because it means you don't have to try."

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