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mythbuster Since: Jan, 2010
#46551: Sep 14th 2020 at 7:12:58 PM

Of all Shonen protagonists, Deku's the one I identify with most.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#46552: Sep 14th 2020 at 7:50:17 PM

Is there a theory going around that Momo is the traitor since her anesthetic didn't work? I didn't watch it, but I saw video on youtube (well I saw the title, which is arguing against the theory, but I admit its' something I didn't consider until it was spelled out).

In order for that to work you'd have to be ignore all of the actions she's taken and times of introspection with Momo that make it obvious she's not involved with the villains. Which you can do, as theories like this often rely on ignoring obvious things that invalidate them, but you shouldn't do that.

Edited by LSBK on Sep 14th 2020 at 9:54:06 AM

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#46553: Sep 14th 2020 at 7:53:34 PM

That kind of people should stay away from Journalism or anything involving reading comprehension.

Wake me up at your own risk.
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#46554: Sep 14th 2020 at 8:32:44 PM

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Edited by HailMuffins on Sep 14th 2020 at 12:33:21 PM

ImperiumAstarte Tired of this crap from Morioh Since: Feb, 2017
Tired of this crap
#46555: Sep 14th 2020 at 10:35:07 PM

So, who do you think will bite it within the next few chapters?

For the Imperium!!!
Hobgoblin Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#46556: Sep 14th 2020 at 11:33:50 PM

Eh, I find Deku kinda boring and I'm not a fan of his "bully worship", even if that relationship has mellowed out with time.

That said, I do appreciate the fact that he's not another dipshit protagonist who likes to eat a lot. And him getting the crazy eyes every time he gets worked up in a fight is a pretty fun character trait for a guy who's trying to be a hero who reassures people with his presence. I feel like if Midoriya ever actually tried smiling like All Might in a fight, his opponent would probably be afraid they're about to get shivved.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#46557: Sep 15th 2020 at 2:07:52 AM

I will say that I get, and kind of agree, with complaints about how Izuku (and to a lesser extent other characters) don't use their powers as creatively as they could. I don't agree with the thought that the fights are generally boring or poorly-choreographed, but they could definitely be better.

But this is different from complaining about the premise and suggesting that things would be "better" in ways that would actually make the story basically impossible to work when you really think about it. Or at least, make it impossible for the story that Horikoshi is trying to tell.

Cross (Don’t ask)
#46558: Sep 15th 2020 at 7:50:04 AM

Derailing a bit to a potentially awkward subject, but how big are Mirko's feet supposed to be? Her costume has "Rabbit Cleats" and the image in her profile has her boots wider at the toes. However other pics from Hori (or at least I think they're from him) like the JK one with Hawks has her in normal loafers.

Ulf_Jarl from Beyond the Galaxy Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
#46559: Sep 15th 2020 at 8:30:19 AM

I don't think most of the hate towards Deku comes from his origin or the fact that he was chosen as the 9th successor to OFA.

Plenty of people including me dislike him or at least find him way too meh and average for being a bland and boring main character especially compared to a cast of much more interesting side characters. This is heavily intensified by the fact that much of his story post overhaul arc has mostly been about OFA rather than him developing some actual character depth. Deku as a person has not been the focus of the story for 3 years and as a result, he just feels very stagnant.

Of course, the fandom's opinion of Deku has a good chance of changing in this latest arc but we will have to wait and see if he undergoes interesting expansion of depth or character development.

The world is cruel yet so very beautiful.
WashTheLaundryHero Since: Jun, 2019
#46560: Sep 15th 2020 at 9:51:06 AM

By the way MHA works, Deku has always been more a guy that inspires character development in other people rather than going through a lot of development himself. He's the one showing everyone what being a hero is all about, including even the pros, since he already was a great hero at heart from the beginning, and that's why All Might chose him to begin with.

I guess that can only take you so far as character.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#46561: Sep 15th 2020 at 10:31:35 AM

In other words, Deku has more in common with Western Superheroes than Eastern ones. In that, his kindness and attitude serve as inspiration for everyone else. Less Naruto and Luffy, and more Spider-Man.

Granted, even Spidey has to struggle with his personal life every now and then, but besides that dude is basically the biggest goodie in Marvel after Captain America.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Cozzer Since: Mar, 2015
#46562: Sep 15th 2020 at 10:36:47 AM

For now, Deku's bigger character arc has been him trying to balance his heroic instinct with his physical limitations and the need for self-preservation. I'm not complaining at all, but I hope the meeting between him and Shigaraki triggers another one.

devak They call me.... Prophet Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
They call me.... Prophet
#46563: Sep 15th 2020 at 10:53:32 AM

I just find Izuku too safe. He just doesn't get to struggle and angst like others do. He doesn't get to be *wrong*. Bakugo and Shoto have to eat plenty of humble pie but Izuku doesn't.

Even in his feral mode, which shows the darker side of his core strengths, he still is justified in everything he does.

I didn't start MHA because of Izuku, so it's never been more than just some frustration, but it's something that always held me back from liking him more.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#46564: Sep 15th 2020 at 10:55:19 AM

Oh I think he angsts a lot. He beats himself up quite a bit over whether he does enough for others - something I relate to very much.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#46565: Sep 15th 2020 at 10:56:28 AM

[up][up]Let's be entirely fair here; The Rival is almost always more popular than The Hero for that reason. And Deku just happens to have two rival archetype characters, it's natural they'd have much more complex character arcs.

Like, Vegeta always had more people talking than Goku, Sasuke over Naruto, etc etc. This is just tradition at this point.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Sep 15th 2020 at 1:56:47 PM

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
DevilSketch36 Since: May, 2020
#46566: Sep 15th 2020 at 11:59:33 AM

Besides, Deku's got variety. He's book and combat smart, he's sensitive but tries to be reasonable, he's nice but socially awkward without pulling out the jerk behavior, and he's not blind to love, and he's taken a lot of emotional heat.

He's far from safe.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#46567: Sep 15th 2020 at 12:02:27 PM

That's true. He lacks a grand number of the traits that are so ridiculously common to shonen heroes.

Hell, the only reason he doesn't seem to know Ochako likes him (which he'd definitely return) is because she herself has decided to put that on the back burner.

One Strip! One Strip!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#46568: Sep 15th 2020 at 12:34:43 PM

I like Deku.

He's fun.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
GreenNet Since: May, 2020
#46569: Sep 15th 2020 at 12:57:16 PM

What I have seen in the hate towards him is actually really mostly on his origin. People can't swallow the fact he never trained for his goal. That for many is the start and the end of the argument and while sure, Deku inactivity in the beginning is not admirable, I find that it's explained quite well how Deku himself had zero trust in himself.

Despite his flaws and not admirable traits, people discard too much his actual qualities. It's always "Mirio should have gotten AFO" I feel like if Deku got a less powerful quirk, people wouldn't be as mad at him. Hell, people say he got EVERYTHING handed to him and I don't think it's true.

Way too often I see the paragon with Asta but honestly the latter seems to be much more limited as a character, writing wise. However the fact he never doubts himself and he has this "chad" aura, make him more appealing, i guess. He did worked his ass off before getting his powers. But that means people can't have shaky start and then develop? You need to be well adjusted mentally and physically from the get go...? Part of the reason Deku works for me, it's because he is really grounded and down to earth.

I am still unsure on how do I feel like about all of these arguements.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#46571: Sep 15th 2020 at 1:06:38 PM

I disagreeeeeeeeeeeee

He didn't physically train and he coulda, he could done some pushups, but he didn't really have direction until All Might came up with an exercise plan but even then Deku was like 'is that all?' and got All Might to come up with a more difficult one.

But even before all that, Deku was taking a lot of hero notes on all kinds of heroes and how they operated.

That's not nothing.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#46572: Sep 15th 2020 at 1:20:53 PM

How exactly could he have trained at the beginning? Lifting weights won't put you in the same league as people who can shoot fire or shapeshift.

Plus, he was only fifteen at the start of the story so I think him not having a direction in life at the time is fairly forgivable.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#46573: Sep 15th 2020 at 1:20:56 PM

I think part of this is people wanting their cake and eating it to - so you have the standard complaints about hating destiny or ChosenOnes but also want a story to unilaterally say that the protagonist is the best person ever for whatever role, bar none. As someone else in the thread put it awhile ago, a lot of people want the protagonist to be the right choice, not just a right choice.

That's actually impossible with something like passing on OFA because there are billions of people in the world and who it gets passed onto is up to the decision of a human being not some omnipotent god. I've always appreciated that the story doesn't try to pretend that Izuku is literally the only person who might have deserved OFA or could have gone on to do great things with it, but that fact doesn't diminish why he was actually chosen.

That's not getting into bad-faith arguments like people acting as unclear why All Might choose him, even though that's been explained numerous times (if you disagree with the reasoning that's fine, but I've literally seen people acting as if it's just not made clear) and the weird arguments about how he's a bad protagonist because he didn't "earn" his power, even though he's one of the handful of people in this world whose power isn't just an accident of birth.

Edited by LSBK on Sep 15th 2020 at 3:22:56 AM

DevilSketch36 Since: May, 2020
#46574: Sep 15th 2020 at 1:23:11 PM

Umm....Mint Ice Cream head did like a summer's worth of physical training on the beach.

I mean the man PUNCHED A 30 FOOT ROBOT TO SAVE A GIRL WHO HE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW AND BROKE HIS ARM, and people consider that inactive?

Also, from what I've heard, Asta basically had to train to be able to use his anti-magic swords since they weigh a ton.

Those arguments are dumb.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#46575: Sep 15th 2020 at 1:28:17 PM

Those magic swords are only usable by him simply because he was born with a condition that renders him unable to produce mana.

Sure his physical specs allows him to actually wield the swords but without them he'd be completely useless anyone with even the plainest magic abilities.

And thats without getting into his usage of ki & anti-magic which is somehow not magic but still functions like magic regardless.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 15th 2020 at 1:29:44 AM

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