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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#46176: Sep 1st 2020 at 5:12:35 AM

I'm still debating if I even want to read Black Clover or not...has it gotten interesting?

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#46177: Sep 1st 2020 at 5:51:38 AM

Depends: would you consider popcorn an acceptable meal?

It's something you read for the action and jokes, surface level spectacle in other words. It doesn't have anything deeper than that, nor does it even bother trying.

Definitely one of the more bingeable manga out there, I'll give it that.

devak They call me.... Prophet Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#46178: Sep 1st 2020 at 10:22:33 AM

I would recommend reading it on Mangaplus. It's free (at least, first and last 3 chapters are, dunno about the rest), and if you aren't convinced to read it after that, you can safely drop it. It's fairly consistently paced, so reading a couple of chapters at any point should give you a decent idea of what it's about. Or perhaps more accurately, what it's deal is.

It's not like, say, Jojo where what part you start could have massive influence on your experience. It's fairly consistent, sometimes for the better and sometimes for the worse.

Edited by devak on Sep 1st 2020 at 7:24:09 PM

GreenNet Since: May, 2020
#46179: Sep 1st 2020 at 10:42:06 AM

I read Black Clover recently out of the constant comparison with MHA and I wanted to understand if it was really better as it's frequently said. It does have strenghts not gonna lie but writing wise it pales in comparison with MHA. It definetly has an appeal tho.

As for the good old, "Female characters" complains I always found it a silly complain. MHA doesn't even treat badly the female cast.

devak They call me.... Prophet Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
They call me.... Prophet
#46180: Sep 1st 2020 at 10:50:36 AM

I mean, if superhero fantasy isn't your thing but medieval fantasy is, then BC will beat MHA any day. It just depends on what you want out of a story. It's not that BC is a simple story because it is bad writing: it's a 100% deliberate decision.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#46181: Sep 1st 2020 at 10:57:05 AM

I suppose one might give the old argument of "something bad done deliberately is still bad", but I don't think that applies to the story of BC.

The author simply understands that his strength lies on action and not intricate plotting and do he focuses on what he does well.

Gigguk puts it best: BC's peaks aren't as high as other WSJ series, but they come by so often you end up not noticing.

Edited by HailMuffins on Sep 1st 2020 at 2:58:32 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#46182: Sep 1st 2020 at 11:00:52 AM

I'll tell you what, it definitely has Endeavor if he was written terribly.

Noelle basically has an abusive older brother who treated her like shit & enabled his entire family to blacksheep her since she was born but recently he went all "Oh I wasn't trying to abusive, I was protecting you from our moms curse. So I willingly allowed our entire family to make your existence a living Hell as they constantly blamed you for the death of our mother all the while acting like your life is insignificant to me."

Endeavor if his behavior was entirely excused & justified.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
GreenNet Since: May, 2020
#46183: Sep 1st 2020 at 11:09:06 AM

Not only that. Development of multiple characters is not good. Power progression is a mess and undeserved, many, way too many power ups happen in a very convenient way.

BC writing is certainly flawed but on the other hand it can also be entertaining

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#46184: Sep 1st 2020 at 11:22:35 AM

Definitely sounds like junk food in its purest form. I read FT, so I know what that's like.

Eeehhh, I'll consider it. I honestly want something different from the typical Shonen mold and Chainsaw Man, so I'll probably focus on that.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#46185: Sep 1st 2020 at 11:25:54 AM

Heh. Black Clover hasn't pissed me off quite as much of FT did near the end.

It had stuff I didn't care for (like it's main character, and at least one other side character with a joke I'm not a huge fan of), but I've stuck with it and never really had much issue.

It took until 100 Year's Quest for me to be able to completely enjoy FT again, because near the end of the original series, it was kinda a mess.

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vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
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#46186: Sep 1st 2020 at 12:14:35 PM

I can’t remember another series where I followed from start to finish when it was ongoing that’s battle oriented besides Akame ga Kill. Tbh, the manga ended about as satisfactory as it could

I lost track of Seven Deadly Sins around the time Meliodas resurrected so I missed out on everything and all indications was that it was dumb af

Also shoutout to Shokugeki fans for enduring their increasing deteriorating series

Krory Since: Aug, 2012
#46187: Sep 1st 2020 at 12:30:07 PM

[up] As someone who was a huge Eyeshield 21 fan, Shokugeki's ending was eerily familiar.

MagnumForce Since: Feb, 2017
#46188: Sep 1st 2020 at 1:01:44 PM

[up] Reminding me of Eyeshield 21's last arc?! Go away foul person!

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Tried BC, dropped it early on, as it came off as decidedly average in every way, with less than impressive world-building killing it. That still true?

Edited by MagnumForce on Sep 1st 2020 at 1:01:57 AM

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#46189: Sep 1st 2020 at 1:03:26 PM

What happened in Eyeshield's last arc?

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Krory Since: Aug, 2012
#46190: Sep 1st 2020 at 1:06:39 PM

It's where the series changes from the characters having ridiculous but still based in reality skills to everyone having football based super powers.

Also, "the innate physical superiority of the black man." is a thing that gets repeated a lot.

Edited by Krory on Sep 1st 2020 at 1:07:04 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#46191: Sep 1st 2020 at 1:07:11 PM

[up][up][up] Uhhhhh well the arts pretty good.

Not sure if the world-buildings improved for you. Like we meet the other kingdoms but both are very simple, one is a good nature kingdom & the evil is 100% flat evil demon kingdom with the former already destroyed in the same arc they were introduced by the latter.

[up] Wow that is Shokugeki.

Huh I wonder what means for Dr Stone. The current ongoing manga by Eyeshield's writer.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 1st 2020 at 1:08:25 AM

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Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#46192: Sep 1st 2020 at 1:07:37 PM

[up][up][up][up] Last time I checked, there was some attempt at further world building, but the formula is still as basic as it gets, only with an extremely efficient execution (but terrible villains). And Tabata is one hell of an artist, you can’t deny him that.

[up] [nja]

Edited by Lyendith on Sep 1st 2020 at 10:08:06 AM

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#46193: Sep 1st 2020 at 1:09:52 PM

[up][up][up] Thats not great, no.

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JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
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#46194: Sep 1st 2020 at 1:16:12 PM

At least Dr. Stone has some foreshadowing that things could possibly escalate past the point of reality. That, and despite the science-driven nature of the series, from the beginning it very much exaggerates human ability. The dude who killed a lion bare-handed comes to mind.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#46195: Sep 1st 2020 at 1:20:38 PM

Months removed from Shokugeki, Im over the ending. But man was that final arc boring as shit.

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devak They call me.... Prophet Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#46196: Sep 1st 2020 at 2:02:36 PM

I didn't say that BC was bad though. I said it was simple, and that it's deliberately so. There's literally a scene where the MC has a debilitating injury ala Deku and just goes "fuck no i won't cry over this" and shrugs it off next arc. There's no depth or introspection here, no questioning of his paths or goals. He just decides "this won't hurt me", and not a drop of angst is extracted from it. It's a choice of style.

Regarding 7 deadly sins, it was never quite as good as it's premise implied, but it dropped in quality hard sometime after Melodias' resurrection (More than i expected) to the point where we get a repeat of a fight not even an arc after we had the first version of the fight, and a random unrelated bad guy shows up afterwards to fill time.

Edited by devak on Sep 1st 2020 at 11:04:13 AM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#46197: Sep 1st 2020 at 2:14:13 PM

Kenichi's last arc was rushed as all Hell (one of the final villains showed up for all of 2 chapters and had no foreshadowing whatsoever, it's Kaguya except even worse), but funnily enough I don't think the quality ever actually dropped, it just felt like the author burned out and skipped 100 potential chapters so he could end the story early.

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#46198: Sep 1st 2020 at 2:41:39 PM

Sorry, but whenever someone brings up Kenichi, this is all that I can think of:

Rodimus: Self-sacrifice, Magnus— It's cheap. It's a cheap way out. I need to live so I can make amends.
Pokesamus Since: Aug, 2016
#46199: Sep 1st 2020 at 3:10:27 PM

Thank you, I’ve been looking for that clip for years.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#46200: Sep 1st 2020 at 4:04:18 PM

Regarding Ochaco and her development, while it's undeniable he's usually a part of her of it, I don't know if it's really right to characterize it revolving around him.

It's more like by looking at at him it gets her thinking about other things and what kind of hero she wants to be.

And then, of course, you just have moments like the one with Night Eye that have nothing to do with Izuku at all.

I'm not saying it's perfect, and I can understand wanting him to be less involved in this particular aspect, but I think things are more nuanced than "her character revolves around Izuku".

Edited by LSBK on Sep 1st 2020 at 6:04:44 AM


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