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ILikeRobots Aspirant Creativity Wizard from the worlds of my imagination Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#41326: Apr 14th 2020 at 8:01:37 AM

In-universe, I’m wondering as to the reasons why two of the users are still silhouetted even after Izuku has started tapping into the stored Quirks.

In the shot during Izuku’s dream, all of the users except the second and third (and All Might), are fully rendered. All Might can be explained as him being the newest user pre-Izuku and only losing the power relatively recently, so OFA hasn’t gotten a chance to fully incorporate him. Even so, he appears more like an energy spectre than the fully shadowed out second and third.

The second and third should have had more than enough time to integrate as OFA ghosts like the rest, especially because the first is fully integrated. There’s probably going to be some big reveal with them in the Doylist sense, but like, why was OFA unable to render them properly, or why was Izuku unable to see them in the Watsonian sense?

Best I can come up with is Izuku still needs to awaken his power more to see them, for whatever reason; back during the Sports Fest, he saw all eight as silhouettes when he was still fairly new to OFA. Not sure why those two in particular are still out of his reach, but I guess that makes the most sense right now.

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WashTheLaundryHero Since: Jun, 2019
#41327: Apr 14th 2020 at 9:49:16 AM

By the way, now that the vestiges have finally debuted in the anime.

I want to focus on their colors.

This is a gif of the light show when Izuku uses OfA's full power.

Do you think colors mean something or the anime doesn't know what it's doing?

It's not really consistent. In the light show it goes White->Blue->Red->Green->Orange->Purple->Pink->All Might Yellow->Deku blueish Green

But if we look at their colors in the scene and take into account what we now about the order, it should be ??->Red/Purple->Red/Purple->Purple->Red->Blue->??->All Might Yellow->Deku blueish Green.

To begin with it's odd that there's two purples and two reds.

Edited by WashTheLaundryHero on Apr 14th 2020 at 10:04:24 AM

ILikeRobots Aspirant Creativity Wizard from the worlds of my imagination Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#41328: Apr 14th 2020 at 9:59:55 AM

Colors are artistic license, I imagine, like the glowy lightshow of the OFA users tapping into its power. Just to make them look more interesting and diverse in a visual medium with color as opposed to the black and white manga.


Edit in response to edit, with this lineup they’re not quite standing in order (All Might is to the right of Nana, when he is the user after her, there was a user between Lariat and Nana but they’re next to each other in the dream, etc.)

The lightshow seems almost consistent unless I’m looking at it wrong?

White (Younger Shigaraki brother) —> Blue (2nd user)note  —> Red (3rd user) —> Green (4th user...Shouldn’t this be blue?) —> Orange (Lariat) —> Purple (6th user) —> Pink (Nana) —> Yellow (All Might) —> Green (Deku)

That random green in the middle is the only real hiccup as far as I can see.

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Edited by ILikeRobots on Apr 14th 2020 at 12:22:44 PM

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41329: Apr 14th 2020 at 12:01:59 PM

For what it's worth, the second movie also showed it like that, but the colors were slightly different: the first was Green, and one of the silhouettes was orange. I think the other silhouette was a different color too.

I'm not really sure why they'd decide to change that, though.

but like, why was OFA unable to render them properly, or why was Izuku unable to see them in the Watsonian sense?

That assumes it's a matter of "cannot" and not "did not". They've been shown to have wills of their own, so if those two don't want him to see them, maybe they can do that. Which would still leave the question of why that would be the case, but, I'm just being nitpicky here.

A lot of people seem to be assuming it's because those two are still alive (go into those stupid theories about how they're actually Bakugo and Kirishima) but as you said, those two look different from how All Might is depicted.

Edited by LSBK on Apr 14th 2020 at 2:07:36 PM

Krory21 Since: Jan, 2019
#41330: Apr 14th 2020 at 12:14:08 PM

[up]OFA #2 and 3 would both be pushing 150 years old even if the vestiges themselves hadn't confirmed they were all dead, so that is a weird theory.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41331: Apr 14th 2020 at 12:15:11 PM

It relies on time-travel shenanigans. I fail to see a single way that would actually improve the story, but a fair number of people have latched onto it as they do.

ILikeRobots Aspirant Creativity Wizard from the worlds of my imagination Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#41332: Apr 14th 2020 at 12:21:01 PM

[up][up][up] That’s possible, but then, why would the second and third look like all the OFA ghosts did in the Sports Festival, when Izuku had much less of a handle on OFA? The others don’t make any mention of not wanting him to see them then, and they’re outright helping him by snapping him free of Shinso’s Quirk.

As for that time travel theory, the less said about that the better... WMG, sure, anything goes, but people treating it like it’s legit baffle me. A silhouette of a character design is literally all they have...

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WashTheLaundryHero Since: Jun, 2019
#41333: Apr 14th 2020 at 12:24:08 PM

[up][x5] They aren't in order there but we know the order of everyone bar the silhouettes. We know facemask dude is 4th and best jeanist cosplayer is 6th. 6th could maybe pass as purple in that scene, but 4th isn't green by any stretch of the imagination.

Then again the anime still gets Toya's hair color wrong so it wouldn't be surprised if this is too.

Edited by WashTheLaundryHero on Apr 14th 2020 at 12:28:18 PM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41334: Apr 14th 2020 at 12:24:37 PM

[up][up]I'm not really seeing your point? I didn't say they didn't want to help him, I said they might not want him to know who they are just yet. Those don't inherently contradict one another, and I'm not really sure why him seeing things in the Sports Festival connects to that at all.

But either way, I dispute the claim they aren't "fully integrated" because they clearly are; they're bodies are fully formed, Izuku just can't make them out. Why that is is anyone's guess, but I'd say it's different from All Might, and it seems like the story does too.

Edited by LSBK on Jun 11th 2020 at 5:35:39 AM

ILikeRobots Aspirant Creativity Wizard from the worlds of my imagination Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#41335: Apr 14th 2020 at 12:27:55 PM

[up] Basically what’s confusing about the assertion they don’t want him to see them is that they look exactly like the other OFA ghosts looked to Izuku when he first saw them, back when he was still fairly rudimentary with One For All.

Thus it would imply that the others were appearing that way because they didn’t want him to see or know about them, which doesn’t seem to be the case, especially because they were helping him directly in his match and haven’t made any mention of not wanting him to know about them since.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41336: Apr 14th 2020 at 12:31:49 PM

Two separate things as far as I'm concerned - back then he just flat out couldn't see them clearly for one reason or another, despite their wills. Now that he can, these two still don't want to be.

I think that Daigoro said something to that affect when they had their little chat. One For All is changing, and seeing them more clearly is a consequence of that. He couldn't talk to them before, either, but now he can. This is an evolving situation.

Edited by LSBK on Apr 14th 2020 at 2:35:29 PM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41337: Apr 14th 2020 at 3:57:09 PM

But back to the topic of Izuku potentially upstaging the likes of Ochaco and Sero, it just sort of depends on how it's handled. We haven't been given a reason to think that he'll be able to make other things float like Ochaco can, and Sero frankly probably isn't going to be impacted either way.

But this could be an opportunity - if all of the Quirks are somehow comparable to one of his classmates that could be a potential way to give that classmate a bit more selective shine.

If the idea that the silhouettes are different by having Quirks that were strong to begin with turns out to be true, I'd find it most likely the parallel there would to Bakugo and Todoroki, if I'm being honest. So, like, a power to create implosions instead of explosions, or some general temperature-control power.

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#41338: Apr 14th 2020 at 7:35:02 PM

Guys, I found something on Tooru Hagakure's character sheet profile that seems to be erroneous. Bold emphasis mine.

  • Power Incontinence: If she could turn visible, odds are she would've by now. The fact that her eyes are also invisible means she can't turn to Aizawa to try to erase her Quirk either.

AFAIK Erasure doesn't rely on eye contact between the user and the target, only that the user sees at least part of the target's body; therefore, Erasure should still be a viable way for shutting off Tooru's invisibility and thus finally getting to see what she actually looks like.

Edited by MarqFJA on Apr 14th 2020 at 5:35:28 PM

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#41339: Apr 14th 2020 at 7:36:38 PM

Due to unfortunate costume decisions I'm pretty sure Aizawa is very very careful to never erase her quirk when she's in costume.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#41340: Apr 14th 2020 at 7:38:02 PM

By that same logic, Hagakure would be blind, since light has to go through and reflect from the eyes in order to produce vision. (Main reason I know this is because The Thrilling Adventure Hour had an episode where multiple invisible men explained they were blind because of this)

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41341: Apr 14th 2020 at 7:38:12 PM

I don't know where that person got he needs to make eye contact for it to work, it's never been portrayed that way. Still not a guarantee that he can make her visible, because her invisibility seems to be just a permanent effect, and he can't erase those. He could probably stop her from doing the other stuff she can do with light, though.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#41342: Apr 14th 2020 at 7:41:32 PM

Yeah, iirc the big question about Erasure was a question of whether or not Aizawa could only effect one person at a time, which I remember coming up during the Yakuza raid.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#41343: Apr 14th 2020 at 7:56:25 PM

The question is, is it a permanent effect or an ongoing effect? Does she have a mutation that makes light naturally bend around her, or is she just always bending light around her in the same way that she's always breathing? The fact that she was able to use a light-based attack (literally flashing her opponent) implies to me that she could turn off her invisibility if she wanted to, but it would be like holding her breath and she couldn't do it for long.

Also, if Aizawa has to be able to see some part of his target's body, wouldn't that make her immune?

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#41344: Apr 14th 2020 at 8:01:26 PM

Now you know why I get so bent out of shape in regards to her quirk. It's maddening how little of it makes sense both in terms of science and in the rules of the series. Almost as maddening is the question to how she even passed the entrance exam.

So much of Hagakure drives me to drink. Even worse being that I swore to never touch a drop of alcohol, yet she still tempts me with how ludicrous she is.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41345: Apr 14th 2020 at 8:08:57 PM

In what way does she break the series' rules? I'm sorry, but I still can't get why you get so worked up about this - yes, Horikoshi applies actual science sometimes, but it should still be obvious that most of these powers break the laws of physics in some way/are basically magic.

Acting as if she's particularly egregious just seems incredibly arbitrary.

Edited by LSBK on Apr 14th 2020 at 10:14:05 AM

ILikeRobots Aspirant Creativity Wizard from the worlds of my imagination Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#41346: Apr 14th 2020 at 8:10:17 PM

Most "scientific" explanations of Quirks are pseudoscience, just like most superpowers with "scientific" explanations in superhero media in general. It's just how the medium works.

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#41347: Apr 14th 2020 at 8:13:19 PM

Still, it's weird that she has been around for this long and yet we have no idea how her Quirk even works.

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#41348: Apr 14th 2020 at 8:15:08 PM

A side effect of being constantly Out of Focus. We did get a hint with her using a light-manipulation attack, but we're missing info on how a lot of the class's Quirks really function.

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asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#41349: Apr 14th 2020 at 8:18:06 PM

Erasure should still be a viable way for shutting off Tooru's invisibility and thus finally getting to see what she actually looks like.
Transparency is a Mutation type Quirk, which Erasure doesn't work on. Ojiro's tail doesn't disappear whenever Aizawa uses his Quirk.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41350: Apr 14th 2020 at 8:19:30 PM

And I'd dispute the notion that we really know less about how her Quirk works than most of the others.

The most in-depth explanation for the mechanics we've gotten are Izuku (obviously), Bakugo, and Momo. Most of the others are just blunt or throwaway answers of "my Quirk lets me do this" without any actual detail about how it lets them do it.

Edited by LSBK on Apr 14th 2020 at 10:23:25 AM


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