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Not so much becoming a good guy and more as payback for having their humanity taken from them. Of the three Noumu we've seen who have had some of their backstory revealed, only Kurogiri was based on a Hero in training. The other two — the original Noumu and High-End — were based on a couple of thugs.
Edited by M84 on Feb 17th 2020 at 6:44:27 PM
kinda like the Trigger mutants from Vigilantes?
Vigilantes spoiler The current arc villain is all but stated to be a prototype-Nomu, considering that his civilian alias is Rokuro Nomura. That in turn means that the doctor is fully capable of creating human looking Nomus with enough sentience to pass as such. So yeah They Look Just Like Everyone Else! is in full effect.
Edited by Kiefen on Feb 17th 2020 at 1:40:07 PM
Didn't he start out as visibly inhuman?
There's also Nine from the movie.
Do you think Six and Nine are related?
Right now, I consider the High-Ends to be on the same level as the Pro-heroes on the scale of "characters most likely to live or die".
In short, I don't expect either of them to get worfed in the slightest, and that the difficulty-level of the High-Ends are only going to increase the longer the fight goes on.
We all know that this arc will be the big "Game-Changer" of the story, so them being defeated?
I even suspect that some of them will be recurring characters in the future.
Especially the "Crimson-End" and the "High-Y" ones.
I just hope some of them don't rely on regeneration.
Would Made of Iron tropes be sufficient to satisfy your concerns in regards to them?
Or things like "Multiplication"?
Two of them already display hyper-regeneration, so i think all High Ends have it.
Anyway, writing them off as "nerfed" is questionable. It was made pretty clear that the High Ends were not ready yet. The fact that none of them (beyond Hood) were deployed before this says enough. We also now know it usually takes quite a while for them to stabilize, though the question is what exactly has to stabilize. Their personality? Their quirks?
10 hours (or so) is an interesting number. It suggests that the High Ends are nowhere near their maximum, but it also isn't so low that they reach their maximum in this fight. meaning,if they survive they will only get stronger. Given that the operation is already precarious and Shigaraki hasn't even woken up yet, at least a few High Ends surviving seems likely (just look at how much it took to kill one). Plus, we don't know about the ones that didn't wake up. Are they dead?
Lastly, Hawks already made it plenty clear that if the Villains get their way, they cannot win, but a first strike can tip the balance. Nomu have always been conditionally strong, High Ends are less conditional but still required a handler. The far bigger problems are Shigaraki, Redestro, Twice and Gigantomachia, and we've yet to see what they are doing.
Edited by devak on Feb 17th 2020 at 7:03:46 PM
Perhaps those ten hours aren't used as much for them to "warm-up to maximum power"...
...but to emotionally calm down enough to be approachable and reasoned with to the point of obedience?
Which, in that case, might mean that the Doctor could end up killed by his own creations if he's not careful...
Edited by TitanJump on Feb 17th 2020 at 7:23:38 PM
Regeneration seems to be a thing all black-colored nomus have; Endeavor went over this in his fight with Hood. Maybe there's an actual reason for that, but either way why wouldn't they make the strongest Nomus regenerate if they could?
And I wouldn't call Kurogiri a high-end; I'm not even sure if calling him a nomu is accurate, they just seem to be using that as a catch all term for the artificial creations AFO and the Doctor have made, even though as already mentioned, he diverges quite a bit in two very important ways from basically every other nomu.
Which, hey, I guess they can do that because it's a made up term anyway, but kind of feels like it's loses meaning. Honestly, it struck me as a bit weird to call the high-ends "brainless" when the very fact that they aren't seems to be the point.
Edited by LSBK on Feb 17th 2020 at 1:41:30 PM
It's kind of ambiguous if Kurogiri truly has a brain. I don't mean in the literal sense, more in the sense he doesn't really have any free will or capacity for individual thought. He's more akin to a robot with programmed behaviors and exists only to fulfill his purpose: look after Tomura and nurture him to become All for One's successor. It ultimately fits with why he refused to answer any questions given to him and why he just spoke generically with Aizawa and Yamada. His artificial intelligence/programming isn't meant to respond to answers like that. In that sense, he doesn't have a brain, and similar to the USJ Nomu, only truly responds when following a directive given by his creator or handler.
In that sense, the only thing different about him and other Nomu is that he has a personality period, and that rather than his Quirk Factors manifesting individual, they form a composite quirk.
Edited by RebelFalcon on Feb 17th 2020 at 2:39:54 PM
I'd say it's pretty clear he's capable of thinking for himself.
That he has some certain of programming that kicks in regarding certain subjects doesn't preclude that, and doesn't mesh with what we've seen of him.
Really, if he wasn't capable of some independent thought of his own, he'd be terrible in the actual role he was given.
Edited by LSBK on Feb 17th 2020 at 1:54:36 PM
Well... dodging would be nice.
Edited by GNinja on Feb 17th 2020 at 8:10:35 PM
That would depend on how intelligent this new batch is, I remember the last one having a pretty simplistic thought process.
Or maybe my memory is playing tricks on me.
Hood was smart enough to "dodge" the first Prominence Burn that would have killed him by ripping his own head off and throwing it away from the blast so it could regenerate back to full capacity. Not something you'd want to try without Hyper-Regeneration, but it worked pretty well.
Yeah that was a smart move but with that level of strategic thinking might not be as possible with the High Ends that just women in up. We even have a panel with one of them shaking a bit as if its not used to its own body yet.
That was a cool use of Healing Factor. A lot of the time Healing Factor and Made of Iron aren't particularly impressive to me though. It normally results in the villain getting beaten up by the heroes and just passively surviving it through no active merit of their own.
To put it another way. I don't like the Zerg Rush trope outside of specific contexts either. Because it's prone to the same pitfall as Regeneration, only applied to an army rather than an individual. They win through attrition and stats rather than anything cool. Which in itself can be cool. But so often it feels like a cheap way for the hero to show off and be more awesome than the villain while still letting the villain be a threat.
Edited by GNinja on Feb 18th 2020 at 5:21:31 PM
AKA the Wolverine Effect.
So in some fun news. Heroes Rising has apparently surpassed the 1st movies overall gross.
Also Nine the main villain is being voiced by........ wow Johnny Young Bosch. Here’s a dub trailer.
I thought the Wolverine Effect was when comic writers wanting to have a particular female character get more screentime do so by making them in a relationship with a prominent male character. Like how Wolverine hooks up with a bunch of different female heroes and villains during their story runs or whatever.
I'm confused about this movie. I'm told it's set further into the story than the anime has actually reached at present? So it has manga spoilers in it?
I've heard it's partly that it contains some ideas Hori wanted to use for the series endgame. Arcwise it's probably during a certain timeskip if I had to say?
The movie takes place approximately three arcs ahead of where the Anime is currently at, so uh...there's going to be minor spoils.
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