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Maybe not any actual "twinkering with the quirk" but more like "making sure that the body the quirk is in is up and running again", to harvest potential quirk materials from later. And Dabi is still suffering from that setback of his quirk, even now.
People die and artificially get resurrected in real life as well even after their hearts has stopped. (the longest recorded instance being a 32-year old woman who managed to be brought back to life eight hours after her heart had stopped and without any damage to her brain or organs afterwards, from what I can find) so it's not impossible.
And in a word of superpowers, there might be quirks allowing the resuscitation of a dead body that we the readers haven´t seen yet...
That said, considering the science of Nomu that the Doctor being involved in, merely resuscitate someone seems to be a much easier task than genetic-splicing of quirks...
Edited by TitanJump on Dec 7th 2019 at 12:01:05 PM
In another showcase of how small people's reference pools can be, some people are seriously calling the apparent revelation with Kurogiri an Obito rip-off or copy.
Despite the utter lack of similarities shared by Obito & Kurogiri both personality-wise & even the narrative role they each fill.
Edited by slimcoder on Dec 7th 2019 at 3:04:49 AM
I mean, I think it's fair to say a number of characters are homages to Naruto, but that's not the same thing as being a rip-off. That seems pretty common amongst mangaka in general.
And, yeah, this situation is only similar to Obito in that a character's old friend is now a villain. I.e. thing that happens all the time in media in general.
It'd be extremely fucked up if Dabi turned out to be some kind of Frankenstein's Monster with Touya's Quirk. That's going into desecration of the dead right there.
Well, there's also the way they both supposedly died and having space warping powers, and also their names are similar. The fact that all the similarities are pretty superficial points less to a rip-off and more to an intentional homage to one of Horikoshi's favorite manga and biggest influences. Naruto's influence was very obvious at the start of the series, and this plot thread in particular was probably planned quite early considering how soon Kurogiri was introduced.
Also, we've seen Overhaul straight-up revive the dead. Eri's quirk could probably do it, too. It's clearly not beyond the scope of this universe. I wouldn't be surprised if the doctor's quirks allows for some kind of resurrection shenanigans.
Edited by WashTheLaundryHero on Dec 7th 2019 at 4:44:34 AM
I'm not condoning the complaining, but the similarities are actually there?
Okay so after thinking about this whole bringing back dead people, I've got the idea in my head of the doctor stitching Curious' and Best Jeanist's bodies together and giving it life, like an actual Franskestein.
Edited by WashTheLaundryHero on Dec 7th 2019 at 5:08:15 AM
More like a weird Baron Ashura thing.
Edited by Blueace on Dec 7th 2019 at 10:26:07 AM
Not just any dead, but people literally turned into a red smear on the wall, and good as new.
Despite that, I think I would prefer Dabi to be a product of himself, with perhaps only a small assistance from Ujiko. (like giving him the stitches or something) Considering how his and Shigaraki's first meeting went (i.e. they almost killed each other with little provocation), it seems improbable for me for Dabi to be just another Nomu-esque creation. (one could say Gigantomachia did the same thing, but he had understandable reasons to doubt Shigaraki's credentials)
I'm thinking more Kingdom of Amalur (if anyone ever played that). You wake up. Turns out you died, and an experiment brought you back to life. Except you were already dumped on the "failure' pile.
If Toya was born with a quirk that produced flames hotter than Endeavors but the physical genetics of his mother...
...does that mean he got a incredibly high resistance to cold? (especially if he uses the flames on low-temp to keep himself from freezing completely over.)
Yeah, but all of that is so... generic. Things like that in story's all the time, Naruto didn't invent plot-threads like that.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if this was a bit inspired by the Obito situation (I already said that) but acting as if those superficial similarities makes it a "rip-off" makes no sense to me.
Overhaul said he could only do that if he acted immediately after it happened. Basically advanced immediate resuscitation. And I doubt Eri's power can bring back the dead - if it only works on living things/people (as it has been said to) then a corpse is excluded from that by default. And, honestly, if she could do that I would hate it because it would actually add validation to those "Eri destroys all tension" complaints.
I'm not even saying it's impossible Ujiko could be connected, just that nothing in the story, including this new Kurogiri reveal, actually supports that, like, at all.
Edited by LSBK on Dec 7th 2019 at 2:58:12 PM
Well we had one supposedly dead student with a useful quirk (and it's not like he was abandoned in the middle of nowhere during a war - pros were present and there's typically cleanup) who apparently was resurrected into a new enemy in the Lo V. And as it stands now, Touya is a supposedly dead child with a useful quirk who is apparently resurrected in the League of Villains.
So it's not like this comes completely out of nowhere. And i've previously stated my continued suspicion of Dabi's look, IE as a frankensteinish monster. And his stapled-on skin (which appears to need no replacement) is also suspicious, as is the decade or so he spent under the radar. Touya literally dying and then being resurrected as a failed experiment and subsequently being discarded would explain almost everything.
An young, but scruffy-looking dude with an eye-based power, who instructs teenagers in his profession but is known to be very picky about who he instructs, finds out that his classmate/teammate/childhood friend who he thought to be killed in the line of duty by being crushed by rocks, has been revived and mentally altered into becoming a villain, part of a team who are working to tear down the very institution that he works for.
Nope. Doesn't sound derivative of Naruto at all.
Edited by SalFishFin on Dec 7th 2019 at 5:51:10 AM
I think your reasoning has leaps and gaps you're not really adressing but even a part from that I think "Toya was resurrected by Ujiko but deemed a failure and discarded, and doesn't know it, but by chance decided to join up with the League" is so unnecessarily convulted I can't see a reason Horikoshi would write it that way.
It kind of sounds like you've already decided AFO had to be somhow involved with whatever happened with him, and looking for facts to support the conclusion instead of the other way around.
Because I totoally said it wasn't like Naruto at all, wait, no I didn't. But to be fair, I wasn't aware of how Shirakumo actually died. That is pretty samey.
Edited by LSBK on Dec 7th 2019 at 5:07:20 AM
That last sentence was exaggeration for the sake of being facetious. But it was really in response to the "only" you have here:
Edited by SalFishFin on Dec 7th 2019 at 5:58:50 AM
At this point Aizawa has greatly diverged from Kakashi.
Kakashi by now was more friendlier & warm as a mentor while also just being carefree & breezy with wacky hobbies. Aizawa is still a prick and a genuine depressive grump who maintains a strict relationship with his students with nothing very comical about him.
Edited by slimcoder on Dec 7th 2019 at 3:03:08 AM
Eh, attribute that to simplification on my part. I still think my main point stands: there are a lot of things I think are definitely inspired by Naruto, but no blatant rip-offs for the most part.
You do realize I purposely only included information that makes the two scenarios seem superficially identical, right?
Edited by SalFishFin on Dec 7th 2019 at 6:05:17 AM
Yes, but isn't what we're talking about that some people do that seriously? That's what I've been trying to comment on.
Edit: Oh, wasn't directed at me.
Edited by LSBK on Dec 7th 2019 at 5:06:49 AM
Yeah but I thought this was a good opportunity to talk about how different the characters actually are from each other.
Edited by slimcoder on Dec 7th 2019 at 3:07:53 AM
On a different, goofier subject, does anyone have any side by side comparisons of Izuku's costume progression and, more specifically, his gloves?
Is it true they've just been getting bigger and bigger with each new upgrade?
Huh, apparently Melissa Shield's helped with the flame compression for Endeavor's costume. Neat.
It's kind of blurry, but I had some time to kill anyway, so here (from left to right; first edition from Battle Trial onwards, arm braces from Provisional Licensing onwards, Air Force from Cultural Festival onwards, blackwhip/current). They pretty much just got clunkier over time.
I haven't read Vigilantes myself other than hearing about it secondhand from the talk on this thread, but it's pretty obvious that Shirakumo and Aizawa's situation takes inspiration from Obito's. Still, that doesn't mean it's a "cheap ripoff" like some people are accusing—Ho Ko's always been a fan, just look at all the shoutouts he's already dropped.
Are we running with the bit of comparing everything to Naruto again, though? It's like shonen readers have some kind of primal need to do that to every manga nowadays.
I think that's because Naruto got so ridiculously big in the shonen genre in its first run back in the day that people just can't help relating modern shonen to it.
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