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RedRob Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: One Is The Loneliest Number
#30126: Jun 3rd 2019 at 4:56:05 PM

[up]I'm guessing they're symbolic of his anger. I.e., the flames got hotter and hotter as his grudge towards Endeavor grew over the years. Eventually, they grew hot to the point it started to injure him. Once he stops caring so much about what Endeavor did, give up being a villain, and move on with his own life. they will stop hurting him.

That said, this is less a personal belief, and more just me pointing out a quick way of putting in a "Don't hold on to hatred" message. Toya shoudln't forgive Endeavor for what he did, but becoming a villain is not how he should deal with that, especially when he's helping other villains commit crimes unrelated to his beef with Endeavor.

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet Unless I grew it. In that case, throw it in the trash.
heejung Since: May, 2012
#30127: Jun 3rd 2019 at 6:19:45 PM

I'm not sure if Dabi's flames are related to his feelings. Because if he is Touya (like we are all assuming at this point), Endeavor already knew about his tremendous fire power and lack of heat resistance before whatever bad thing happened to Touya. I mean Touya *could* have held hatred for Endeavor while he was still with his family, but it means that several years ago the fire was already too hot for his body. From the way Endeavor says it, sounds like he was just born that way.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#30128: Jun 3rd 2019 at 7:16:00 PM

Like Aoyama, he sounds like an example of someone born with a Quirk that doesn't match their body.

On the reveal, I imagine Horikoshi is waiting for something besides just a suitably dramatic family/personal moment. When Shigaraki first demanded Dabi's real name, he basically says he'll tell him if/when it ever becomes important.

That's an obvious hint to the readers that who he is will be important later/would be important to characters we already know, in-universe it sets that it'll mean something greater to the League and whatever they happen to be doing.

Edited by LSBK on Jun 3rd 2019 at 9:16:22 AM

Wispy Since: Feb, 2017
#30129: Jun 3rd 2019 at 7:54:57 PM

I suspect that either his body was weaker at handling than most for some reason (possibly bad luck with genetics).

Or the most obvious explanation is that Dabi's built in quirk drawback was way more extreme and harsher than most and Endavour didn't like that and of course and kept pushing him far past the limit.

A lot of quirks have drawbacks but I suspect there is some people have really bad or self-destructive ones.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#30130: Jun 3rd 2019 at 8:02:56 PM

We were explicitly told his body wasn't suited for his power because he has Rei's "constitution". We don't need to speculate about that, the issue is genetic.

Edited by LSBK on Jun 3rd 2019 at 10:03:40 AM

Wispy Since: Feb, 2017
#30131: Jun 3rd 2019 at 8:12:26 PM

That comment makes me wonder though if he inherited some of Rei's possible mental problems. That would be a interesting reason for him to run away, sees his asshole father chuck his mother straight into the asylum after the Shouto incident and have his father turn his eye towards him for being rebellious or openly resentful?

Asshole parents have done shit like that before to their kids for daring to not be completely subservient to them, I wouldn't be surprised if that is the reason he ran.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#30132: Jun 3rd 2019 at 8:28:22 PM

[up][up]A fire wielder with the body of an ice wielder?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#30133: Jun 3rd 2019 at 8:29:55 PM

If Touya's issue is that exactly then he certainly isn't Parka-Man.

I've seen one guy wish for that.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#30134: Jun 3rd 2019 at 8:32:30 PM

I don't think anyone here was assuming Touya was parka-man/Apocryphal

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#30135: Jun 3rd 2019 at 8:33:10 PM

[up][up][up] Well, Endeavor wanted Shoto's Quirk mix, and the combination of opposites could go wrong, like that.

Edited by Blueace on Jun 3rd 2019 at 11:33:34 AM

Wake me up at your own risk.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#30136: Jun 3rd 2019 at 8:37:00 PM

[up][up] Well I never said it was here.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 3rd 2019 at 8:37:22 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#30137: Jun 3rd 2019 at 8:37:51 PM

[up][up][up]I'm still not convinced Endeavor even was shooting for the mixed Quirk, myself. The way people talk about him, set-ups like Shoto's don't even normally cross people's minds. Plus, Endeavor said Toya was "almost perfect" (or some equivalent) indicating he would have been fine with just greater firepower.

It really just seems like Endeavor was like "I'll have kids with this ice lady, and one of them is bound to have a power that can surpass All Might" without actually having anything specific in mind, at least at first.

Edited by LSBK on Jun 3rd 2019 at 10:39:09 AM

heejung Since: May, 2012
#30138: Jun 3rd 2019 at 8:42:30 PM

"Fire wielder with a body of an ice wielder" is the impression I got too. Since Hori bothered to include a panel of Natsuo saying that they (probably him, Rei and Fuyumi? Could be just him and Rei.) have harder time dealing with hot weather.

Anyway, I'm not sure if Rei's mental instability can be considered something inheritable. Propensity for mental illness can be genetic but Rei's situation was extreme enough such that it's hard to say she was inherently more susceptible to breaking down.

[up] We know that he was shooting for at least some kind of cooling aspect, because he says that in his monologue. "Heat accumulates in my body. That's why I..."(flashes of Rei, other kids, Shouto) is a thing Endeavor thought to himself in pro hero arc. He probably said Touya was almost perfect because he *was* impressed with the unexpectedly strong fire power and would have considered him a valid successor if not for the lack of heat resistance.

Edited by heejung on Jun 4th 2019 at 12:49:00 AM

Wispy Since: Feb, 2017
#30139: Jun 3rd 2019 at 8:51:32 PM

Oh no I am not trying to say her breakdown was her fault or anything like that. Considering the circumstances while she did to Shouto was horrible I still blame Endavour mostly for that incident as he was the one that pushed her that far off the edge.

I mean Touya was a kid and likely grew up under his fathers thumb and then watched his father possibly abuse Rei (I am pretty fucking sure he did but I don't remember if it has been explicitly stated), toss his other younger siblings away, and his incident?

Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if anyone else in his position wouldn't be hateful to the point of trying to destroy his father.

Edited by Wispy on Jun 3rd 2019 at 8:54:11 AM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#30140: Jun 3rd 2019 at 8:53:13 PM

Still curious about Fuyumi's and Natsuo's Quirks. Just going off of their names, I'd say straight inheritance from Rei and Endeavor, respectively, but things like Natsuo's comment about being sensitive to heat give me pause.

But then again, that could easily just be symbolic, like how Shoto hates hot foods.

Wispy Since: Feb, 2017
#30141: Jun 3rd 2019 at 8:56:10 PM

I just had another thought. Is it possible that Touya did not get to know Shouto very well and disappeared when Shouto was really young?

That might explain why Dabi would not hold back when seeing Shouto. He might just be assuming that Shouto is a mini-Endavour personality wise due to Shouto's demeanor (I mean we know hes definitely not but Dabi/Touya wouldn't know that).

It wouldn't be the first time that Shouto was mistaken for a mini-Endavour in the making.

Edited by Wispy on Jun 3rd 2019 at 8:56:59 AM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#30142: Jun 3rd 2019 at 9:40:48 PM

Also, not super important, but Parka's name is Geten. Not really sure why both Jaimini's Box and Mangastream translated it, but there it is.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#30143: Jun 3rd 2019 at 9:43:37 PM

Maybe it's like Kurogiri, and the translation just seemed like such a villain name.

[down]More like Apocrypha is Geten

Edited by sgamer82 on Jun 3rd 2019 at 10:45:54 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#30144: Jun 3rd 2019 at 9:44:35 PM

Wait so Geten is Apocrypha?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
heejung Since: May, 2012
#30145: Jun 4th 2019 at 4:46:33 AM

外典 is a word that means religious scripture outside of what is approved. According to my 3 minute research just now, when it's read 'Geten' it is used as Buddhist word that means religious scripts that are not Buddhist, mostly referring to Confucianism and Taoism because they were the other religions around at the time this word was made. When it's read 'Gaiten' it means Christian apocrypha. Since the meaning is similar both ways I think the translators took some liberty since the word can be translated and would make a good villain name. (Or they just didn't realize the difference in meaning depending on how the word is pronounced.)

TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#30146: Jun 4th 2019 at 5:30:23 AM

Okay, I can't keep a straight face anymore...

Here's why...

Trivia: In Swedish, "Geten" means "The Goat".

And now I can't look at Parka and not think of them as some sort of ice-devil of nordic origin (And funnily enough, the old nordic-version of "Hell", called "Hel" is (as God of War PS 4 shows, a frozen wasteland) where they basically would have been a "Demon God" that quirk of theirs in that kind of environment.)

Can't stop smiling.

(Input goat-bleating)

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#30147: Jun 4th 2019 at 7:42:52 PM

So it seems like Skeptic is going to stupidly get directly involved because he doesn't want another failure on his (almost) perfect record. But considering what his power is, I wonder what that's going to add? Unless he's going to get something or...

Edited by LSBK on Jun 4th 2019 at 11:40:12 AM

TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#30148: Jun 4th 2019 at 9:38:57 PM

[up] Probably going to get a support item and with it, unleash his "Super Move" upon Twice.

Or just combine all of his puppets into one single, massive, one akin of some humongous mecha (A "Jeager"-style construct) to fight Twice's "Sad Man Parade" face on.

Edited by TitanJump on Jun 4th 2019 at 6:39:14 PM

raziel365 Anka Aquila from South of the Far West (Veteran) Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
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#30149: Jun 5th 2019 at 11:29:12 AM

You know, I think I have an idea of what Dabi is waiting for if he really is Touya.

The best way to get back at Endeavour would not be by killing him or crippling him, but by ruining his reputation as a hero permanently, thus trashing everything he has worked for so far and destroying his future.

For that, and much like how Gentle used the media to try to spread his crimes, Dabi only needs to hijack the local media long enough for him to say what he has to say and give proof that he’s saying the truth to cause irreparable damage.

This works for the League of Villians in many ways as well since this plays right into their narrative of the heroes being the true bad guys and would be a boon to have the current number one hero fall from his pedestal by his own weight.

Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, we should find the absolutes that tie us.
SapphireBlue Since: Jan, 2001
#30150: Jun 5th 2019 at 11:40:35 AM

I could definitely see that happening. For one thing, it'd mean large-scale consequences for Endeavor's actions, which I think is part of what bothered people about the way things were going - they're assuming that now there won't be. His reputation would be irreparably damaged regardless of what his family does going forward. And like you said, it'd also make a huge impact in eroding the public's trust in heroes, which is part of what the League of Villains wants anyway.

Edited by SapphireBlue on Jun 5th 2019 at 11:43:28 AM


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