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heejung Since: May, 2012
#30101: Jun 2nd 2019 at 2:10:57 PM

An interesting thing about the Quirk phenomenon is that apparently it just started appearing in the population and became increasingly common. So even if some people were bigotted against this new strange superpower thing the chances are that they or their close friends and relatives eventually got someone Quirked in their midst sooner or later. The bigotry or whatever happening against the Quirked was probably less like racial/regional/socioeconomical model but more like against disabled/diseased. "Some unknown force is at work and it's turning some of humanity into monsters" kind of thing. (I bet there were wildly arbitrary "tips" going around about how to not "catch" this curse.) And then conflicts break out even from when the Quirked are still ridiculously miniscule minority, because not everybody is gonna reject the newly appearing weirdos as non-human.

SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#30102: Jun 2nd 2019 at 2:23:03 PM

Ah, yes. Good ol' intersectionality seems more likely- quirks wouldn't overshadow old ways of discrimination- they'd just be another axis added to the multi-dimensional graph.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#30103: Jun 2nd 2019 at 2:40:30 PM

Of course, they became the majority in just a couple generations, and messing with people that, for all you know can drop acid on your face is pretty unwise.

Wonder how many countries have laws against the Quirkless.

Edited by Blueace on Jun 2nd 2019 at 5:41:26 AM

Wake me up at your own risk.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#30104: Jun 2nd 2019 at 2:46:10 PM

and messing with people that, for all you know can drop acid on your face is pretty unwise.

And yet, the citizens of the Marvel Universe don't let that stop them.

One Strip! One Strip!
heejung Since: May, 2012
#30105: Jun 2nd 2019 at 3:12:09 PM

I mean, I'm not sure how you would even legislate a law against Quirkless. Quirks are all different anyway, so for most facets of life "you are allowed to do X only if you have a Quirk" "We will do X for Quirked but not for Quirkless" doesn't make sense. (Heroics is one of those rare exceptions because it became a real thing after Quirks and is just considered "Quirked people thing". Even then the public seems to understand that not all Quirks are really suited for heroics anyway.) There are gonna be tons of Quirked people who are just like Quirkless in most ways that matter, so laws that are made with practical objectives are rarely likely to catch just the Quirkless or just the Quirked.

And for the possibility of a law specifically for singling out the Quirkless intentionally and discriminating them... what would be a reasoning for a government do that? It's not like Quirkless are upsetting the social status quo or anything, all the societies in this world were originally built with Quirkless in mind. And even though the majority are Quirked now, the Quirked vary too much to actually shift the social norm into some new "Quirked standard" because there IS no Quirked standard.

Edited by heejung on Jun 2nd 2019 at 7:14:54 PM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#30106: Jun 2nd 2019 at 4:31:04 PM

So apparently sales not doing so well right now. Volume 23's numbers fell below 100,000 copies...

I guess people really weren't receptive to the Joint Training Arc.

Edited by LSBK on Jun 2nd 2019 at 6:31:57 AM

heejung Since: May, 2012
#30107: Jun 2nd 2019 at 4:49:21 PM

Reddit post says vol 23's first week sales was 255,103 with four days though. Not sure where they get their numbers but.

Maybe the number you saw was "new sales within last (certain length) period"?

Edited by heejung on Jun 2nd 2019 at 8:51:03 PM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#30108: Jun 2nd 2019 at 4:53:53 PM

Oh, my bad. It's not that sales fell below 100,000 copies, it's that compared to Volume 22, volume 23 has sold fewer copies by over 100,000.

heejung Since: May, 2012
#30109: Jun 2nd 2019 at 5:01:34 PM

Ah I see. I'm curious, can you give me a link where you found the numbers?

heejung Since: May, 2012
#30111: Jun 2nd 2019 at 5:21:41 PM

Oh, those numbers? They are first week sales, which ARE pretty good indicators of how the sales are gonna fare, but it's not good to compare them directly because vol 22 had 7 days of "first week" and 23 had 4 days. The linked page is all like "Oh look at how poorly it's doing wwwwww" despite the stats actually mentioning the difference in the number of days it was out for, but I fully expect that sort of fact twisting from 5ch thread.

Edited by heejung on Jun 2nd 2019 at 9:24:31 PM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#30112: Jun 2nd 2019 at 5:24:32 PM

Oh, is that site known for that? Good to know, then.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#30113: Jun 2nd 2019 at 5:30:00 PM

Amusingly I translated the site & read comments & while it isn't exactly good translations its legible enough. Its pretty much what you'd expect from such a site.

Overtly negative like "man it was so painful to read" & such.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
heejung Since: May, 2012
#30114: Jun 2nd 2019 at 5:32:58 PM

The link you had is a matome(comments picked out from certain section of a thread) from 5ch(formerly 2ch). It's really big place, pretty much THE anonymous board in Japan, so obviously not all 5ch thread is like that, but they do have a tendency to have a lot of negativity.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#30115: Jun 2nd 2019 at 5:36:36 PM

Don't all threads like that have a strong tendency towards negativity though?

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 2nd 2019 at 5:36:54 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
heejung Since: May, 2012
#30116: Jun 2nd 2019 at 5:44:21 PM

Well some threads are just people reacting to newest chapter or leaks. There is senseless negativity in those threads too but it's easier to ignore obvious trolls there because there is new material to talk about.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#30117: Jun 2nd 2019 at 5:49:00 PM

I have noticed on any thread with even a slightly negative topic ya got a bunch of people crawling out of the wood works to be negative about it.

They are like vultures.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#30118: Jun 2nd 2019 at 9:53:36 PM

I admit I tend to be negative a lot of the time. Mainly because I'm bitter and frustrated as all hell and I don't know where to go. I don't want to be surrounded by people who feel as bad as I do. Cuz that'd be an awful echo chamber.

Kaze ni Nare!
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#30119: Jun 2nd 2019 at 10:07:39 PM

Personally speaking, I have a very low tolerance for excessive negativity. I worry about crossing the "Don't Be A Dick" line when responding to it.

Criticism is one thing, but when it reaches a point where I can only imagine the person beating their chest screaming "THIS BAD!!!!!" I try, with varying degrees of success, to actively ignore them.

My view, generally speaking, is that "I like this. I am here to discuss this with other people who like it. If all of this person's posts seem to consist of shitting on this thing that I like, then why would I care about what they have to say?"

[down] Oh, I get it. I said "varying levels of success" for a reason.

Edited by sgamer82 on Jun 2nd 2019 at 11:44:56 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#30120: Jun 2nd 2019 at 10:27:40 PM

[up] I feel like crap now because I recall several past encounters with such Negative Nancy's & instead of just ignoring them I talked shit back to them.

Yeah its pointless especially if you know particular users past histories so you should be very much aware that this is a typical thing from them.

They are just so fucking annoying it riles me. Such a level of blaring hate that you actively advertise on your profiles to include this "series is trash" & whatever or take any opportunity to insult shows even on unrelated threads that it borders on childish & immature.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 2nd 2019 at 10:28:21 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Wispy Since: Feb, 2017
#30121: Jun 3rd 2019 at 12:21:45 AM

I wouldn't completely ignore everything a negative nancy says solely because its negative. Chances are they do have a point somewhere in their posts. I have seen plenty of critics of works made by posters on these forums that did have a decent point to consider somewhere in their posts.

The true assholes will say shit like This series suck, and anyone whom likes it sucks without giving a reason why. If you do ask them to give you a reason they'll go straight to insulting you and acting all dismissive and that your mentally ill or an horrible person for liking something they don't. Those guys are the ones I think we should condemn more.

Edited by Wispy on Jun 3rd 2019 at 12:22:40 PM

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#30122: Jun 3rd 2019 at 4:11:31 AM

[up][up][up] I mostly always WANT to like a thing, but the sort of tropes that put me off and annoy me are also what most normal people like. It infuriates me that I can't LIKE it. So I don't know what to do in that situation. I don't physically know how to force myself to enjoy something, and finding shows that don't annoy me at least partially is really rare.

Edited by GNinja on Jun 3rd 2019 at 11:12:40 AM

Kaze ni Nare!
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#30123: Jun 3rd 2019 at 5:34:55 AM

[up] I don't consider anyone to be obliged to enjoy what I enjoy. My pet peeve is just when they do nothing but complain about it. If a work isn't your thing that's fine. I can't offer any help with the "finding shows that don't annoy me at least partially is really rare" part. I'm general follower of the MST3K Mantra so I don't get annoyed at stuff easily and usually just roll with it.

I wouldn't completely ignore everything a negative nancy says solely because its negative. Chances are they do have a point somewhere in their posts. I have seen plenty of critics of works made by posters on these forums that did have a decent point to consider somewhere in their posts.
Key words there are "chances are" and "somewhere". Again, speaking purely for myself, if I can be almost certain someone's post will consist of "THIS BAD!!!!!", looking for a valid point seems more trouble than it's worth. I feel neither desire nor obligation to worry about how valid their point is if I have to wade through a bunch of other stuff I'd rather not in order to maybe find it.
Going back to topic, I wonder how the first book of this arc will sell relative to recent volumes. Has it been popular so far?

Edited by sgamer82 on Jun 3rd 2019 at 6:38:33 AM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#30124: Jun 3rd 2019 at 2:16:06 PM

I don't like to dismiss most complaints out of hand, but if person is only complaining about something, I usually find myself less willing to take them seriously, even when it's something I don't particularly care, and more so when it's something I do.

Anyway, my perception is that this arc is being received better than the Combat Training Arc. I really liked that one, though, I can see how it could be considered dragging (along with some other issues). But, I will say with that arc specifically, I especially saw a lot of complaints about things that should have been fairly easy to infer from dialogue and what was happening, but people just didn't.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#30125: Jun 3rd 2019 at 4:40:14 PM

Double post.

You know, you'd think Dabi would try and get some sort of support item to help him deal with overheating/burning. Shoto does, and I'd presume Endeavor has some sort of cooling system in his suit as well.

Assuming Dabi is Toya, I'm curious if his flames were always blue, or if they just got hotter and hotter as he got older until eventually they turned blue.


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