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TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#28326: Mar 29th 2019 at 7:51:15 AM

[up] Could you elaborate on that? If you wish, that is...

I can understand Shigaraki's goal though... He knows that the emptiness in his heart won't be filled by anything the world have to offer, he settled to just destroy it instead so he won't have to remember what makes him so empty.

It's practically a cosmic suicidal tantrum.

And I find it interesting that he refers to his outfit as "Everyone", since they are grabbing a empty "nobody" then that would make Shigaraki, symbolically, into "All For None".

Just a thought.

Edited by TitanJump on Mar 29th 2019 at 3:52:12 PM

IniuriaTalis Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Love, football, the arts, the occasional pint
#28327: Mar 29th 2019 at 7:52:45 AM

Thoughts on the theory that Tenko was quirkless, but Af O gave him a quirk that he knew would kill his family?

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#28328: Mar 29th 2019 at 8:02:42 AM

Shiggy really does think hes in a JRPG.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#28329: Mar 29th 2019 at 8:04:00 AM

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Well, my thought is that Shiragki might assume that Deku is only saying Take My Hand! because he knows it's safe to do so. Deku has no reason to know that, but Shiragaki might be too messed up to realize it.

If Deku would really want to change Shiragaki, he'd have to deliberately grab the later with something besides the hands....however that would work. Because then he'd be risking damage from Decay.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Mar 29th 2019 at 9:04:28 AM

One Strip! One Strip!
Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#28330: Mar 29th 2019 at 8:14:43 AM

Hmmhmm. I see you guys assuming that Shiragaki's quirk just kind of doesn't work on hands for some reason. But that's not how that read to me.

See, to me, the whole situation reeks of bullshit. When have Little Shiragaki with a vague memory of hands reaching for him- so the hands would've been the first part of someone's body he touched; if he can't affect hands, they'd have been fine.

But if he doesn't have that completely bizarre limitation, then, well, killing them, but leaving their hands, unintentionally? I really can't imagine Shiragaki doing that. And we also have the fact that he's conveniently lost his memories of how exactly it all went down.

And not only did Shimura's grandson- who we know AFO would've been looking at before any quirk manifested- just so happen to develop and very destructive quirk, it also just so happened that nobody was able to react in time to stop the worst from happening.

That's just a lot of coincidences, y'know? Too many for me not to smell a rat.

Edited by Gilphon on Mar 29th 2019 at 11:15:14 AM

Druplesnubb Editor of Posts Since: Dec, 2013
Editor of Posts
#28331: Mar 29th 2019 at 8:35:48 AM

It's possible that the deaths really happened as described but the hands are fake.

Gilphon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#28332: Mar 29th 2019 at 8:58:24 AM

Possible, yes, but that doesn't really strike me as likely. Too much potential for Shiragaki to notice that's something amiss- like, personally, I know what my parents' hands look like a lot better than a stranger would.

Plus, just, the whole set-up of 'I don't remember what happened, but I, a traumatized and impressionable child, will take these horrible people- who have every incentive to cover up any details that don't gel with their pre-existing nefarious plans for me- completely at their word'... Well, there's entirely too much potential for trickery there, both from the characters and the author, for me to be able accept their version of events at face value.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#28333: Mar 29th 2019 at 8:59:14 AM

Curious I checked back to that yakuza Shigaraki killed in the meeting with Overhaul.

It looks like his hands are disintegrating there too.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#28334: Mar 29th 2019 at 9:09:05 AM

Didn't he also decay one of Overhaul's arms. I remember her cut off the hand so the decay wouldn't recognize good body.

Maybe Shigaraki's family's overall quirk was just really strong hands.

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#28335: Mar 29th 2019 at 9:09:10 AM

So Shiguraki's quirk was a random genetic mutation, well there goes my theory that Nana had a decay quirk.

IniuriaTalis Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Love, football, the arts, the occasional pint
#28336: Mar 29th 2019 at 9:27:33 AM

Reasons to think this is sketchy:

1. All for One somehow knew exactly who Tenko was, and they were allegedly able to find him then go back to his house to retrieve the remains without anyone noticing, after that much destruction.

2. The quirk was destructive enough to kill the entire family without Tenko realizing why, but Af O could hug him close with no problems.

3. Where did Tenko's facial injuries come from?

4. Temura only has scattered, disjointed memories of the whole affair.

5. The family in Temura's flashback consisted of a dad, a mom, a sister, and a dog. All of the hands look like an adult man's, and there are four pairs.

6. He gets more pairs of hands later, which is weird.

7. The aforementioned fact that only hands remained.

8. The fact that touching the hands has an odd psychological effect on Temura.

9. The doctor's reference to "fixing" Tenko.

10. One of the janky flashback panels shows the dad's hand dissolving (under the speech bubble when Tenko's throwing up).

Edited by IniuriaTalis on Mar 29th 2019 at 12:28:29 PM

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TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#28337: Mar 29th 2019 at 10:21:06 AM

[up] They're maybe All For One's hands...

Brought to existence by a very good regeneration quirk and some added splicing of mind-control as their unison quirk factor...

Edited by TitanJump on Mar 29th 2019 at 6:23:13 PM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#28338: Mar 29th 2019 at 10:21:21 AM

I understand all the reasons this seems sketchy, but I prefer it the whole situation genuinely was an accident because that makes Shigaraki's relationship with All For One much more interesting.

It's like when people were going "All For One is training Shigaraki so he can steal his body" and I (and others) were like "No, it genuinely just sounds like he cares about him (in his own twisted way)" and then that was the case.

"All For One deliberately destroyed his life, and everything has been a lie" just isn't as interesting as the twisted mix genuine love/wanting to fuck over All Might.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#28339: Mar 29th 2019 at 10:23:03 AM

How wonderfully fucked up.

AFO did say he specifically targeted Shimura to mold him as his successor; wouldn't be too out there that he orchestrated the whole thing to do so.

Yes, I can totally buy AFO traumatizing a young child and brainwashing him into his way of thinking just to spite All Might.

[up] It can be both; Tomura could learn the truth and just not give a fuck. In fact, itd be a great moment. All Might learns how Tomura was "tricked", tries to persuade and then he gets dusted.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Mar 29th 2019 at 1:25:06 PM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#28340: Mar 29th 2019 at 10:24:36 AM

I can imagine he thinks what happened to Shigaraki, whether he was responsible for it was a good thing.

Taught the kid about life. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#28341: Mar 29th 2019 at 10:32:38 AM

If nothing else, I feel like Shigaraki would know if his power worked on hands or not. He's certainly dusted other people since then.

Although, you could just say he wasn't/isn't in the right state of mind to actually question that.

Really though, just the general idea that go "All For One somehow took away/gave a kid a Quirk without them or anyone around them realizing it." leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Edited by LSBK on Mar 29th 2019 at 12:42:06 PM

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#28342: Mar 29th 2019 at 10:32:44 AM

[up][up][up] Hell, AFO himself said he knew All Might would believe it because it was exactly the kind of thing he'd do.

Edited by sgamer82 on Mar 29th 2019 at 11:32:58 AM

Cozzer Since: Mar, 2015
#28343: Mar 29th 2019 at 10:39:37 AM

Also, as it is, Shigaraki's existence is living proof that hero society is not perfect, just better than what came before (like Eri, Endeavor and Gentle, in a way).

If his backstory was changed to "no, society has no fault in this case, it was all because of this villainous mastermind's influence" the whole conflict would become less interesting. It would work for a minor antagonist, not for the Big Bad.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#28344: Mar 29th 2019 at 10:41:34 AM

Also, Shigaraki was wearing normal gloves in that flashback. How does that work? Made of a special material?

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#28345: Mar 29th 2019 at 10:41:42 AM

Funny enough, the kind of hero Tensei wanted to be was the kind who helped a poor kid in need and took them to safety.

The kind that Shigaraki needed but never arrived. And from ge sounds of it Adults in general just left him there and not even find a hero to help him.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Mar 29th 2019 at 10:42:45 AM

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asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#28346: Mar 29th 2019 at 10:44:16 AM

People ignoring a crying child in the street because 'it's not my problem and I'm sure someone else will deal with it' is an attitude that definitely existed before hero society and is definitely one that exists in the real world.

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#28347: Mar 29th 2019 at 10:44:18 AM

[up][up][up]maybe one of the finger had a hole cut out

Edited by Deadpoolrocks on Mar 29th 2019 at 10:44:32 AM

Cozzer Since: Mar, 2015
#28348: Mar 29th 2019 at 10:47:54 AM

People ignoring a crying child in the street because 'it's not my problem and I'm sure someone else will deal with it' is an attitude that definitely existed before hero society and is definitely one that exists in the real world.

True, and that's why I think Shigaraki, as it is, is an interesting villain. He's a question with no easy answer that mirrors a similar question we have in the real world, where there's no single evil mastermind to blame for everything.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#28349: Mar 29th 2019 at 11:04:19 AM

If AFO orchestrated everything, it doesn't diminish the fact nobody other than him helped Shimura when he needed it.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#28350: Mar 29th 2019 at 11:05:47 AM

Anyway, I really don't think thing in the middle is supposed to be Giran's scarf; it looks too fleshy.


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