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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27901: Mar 11th 2019 at 9:55:07 PM

I've seen the theory that Destro was a wielder of One For All who passed it on because he saw potential in his successor helping show quirks as a force for good that ought to be kept free. But then, it also potentially falls apart because why would One for All remain a secret under him or a successor he'd choose if they were so big on quirk freedom and strutting their stuff as part of the liberation army. Of course we dunno much about Destro right now, so this is all still pretty broad storkes speculation, but I could at least see someone dogmatic like him potentially being a villain who would pass it on to someone heroic if that hero fit his criteria.

I like that idea.

Edited by LSBK on Mar 11th 2019 at 11:55:50 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27902: Mar 11th 2019 at 9:59:34 PM

I can imagine early on in AFO’s linage some were less picky about their successor.

Maybe they prioritized moral integrity less than absolute determination in some cases.

After all people can have their own version of what justice is.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 11th 2019 at 10:01:50 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27903: Mar 11th 2019 at 10:03:47 PM

I can see Destro opposing All for One because he was about Quirk liberation, and All for One was all about controlling people with Quirks. And so he passed the power on because he considered All for One's eventual defeat more important than anything else.

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#27904: Mar 11th 2019 at 10:05:38 PM

I've compared Destro's picture to the two silhouettes and they look nothing alike, unless he had a very different hairstyle at one point but that sounds like an Ass Pull to me.

Edited by Kaiseror on Mar 11th 2019 at 12:07:33 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27905: Mar 11th 2019 at 10:07:06 PM

I mean people can’t have multiple hair-styles in their lives?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27906: Mar 11th 2019 at 10:11:40 PM

[up][up]That's not what an Ass Pull is.

Anyway, we've only seen one picture of Destro, there's nothing saying he couldn't have worn his hair differently at some point. Which might feel kind of cheap, but I could also see it being done just to not give away the reveal before the actual time.

Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#27907: Mar 11th 2019 at 10:13:52 PM

One silhouette has a build and hairstyle somewhat similar to Kirishima and the other has a body type that could match match Destro's but has a weird...hair sprout (I really don't know what it's called).

I theorize that one of the silhouetted users was a Stain-esque vigilante and is greatly disliked by the other users.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27908: Mar 11th 2019 at 10:15:25 PM

See, that's the thing about silhouettes, they're intentionally vague. I wouldn't say either of them has hair like Kirishima's (Bakugo's I see), and I don't see how you can say anything about their builds. Not that it matters, because we don't really know Destro's either.

Which isn't to say that he definitely is one of them, just that if he were it wouldn't be an ass pull just because the hair is different.

Edited by LSBK on Mar 11th 2019 at 12:19:21 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27909: Mar 11th 2019 at 10:18:12 PM

I can imagine 1 or 2 of them are the Black Sheep.

It’s a common thing in scenarios like this.

Funny thing, I don’t think Avatar ever had a Black Sheep past-Avatar to my recollection.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#27910: Mar 11th 2019 at 10:21:40 PM

I also think the other one is hidden because either they are Famed in Story or are related to someone Midoriya personally knows.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27911: Mar 11th 2019 at 10:23:30 PM

I mean, I've been taking it as a given that both of them are well-known in story.

And what would be the point in hiding them just because they're related to someone that Izuku knows? It's not like we would know the connection.

But really, as we were already discussing something like "Oh, hey this important person happens to be related to [X character]." has to be done sparingly.

Edited by LSBK on Mar 11th 2019 at 12:25:51 PM

SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#27912: Mar 12th 2019 at 12:33:56 AM

[up][up][up]There was that dude Kuruk who was kinda lazy so Koh stole his wife's face.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#27913: Mar 12th 2019 at 12:35:24 AM

Eh, Kuruk wasn't really a Black Sheep. He was just a decent but flawed person. Like all of the Avatars, really. Kuruk was a go-with-the-flow kind of guy. Fortunately, the peace and prosperity his Avatar predecessor brought about meant that Kuruk didn't need to be particularly active as an Avatar — the Four Nations were able to handle themselves.

Edited by M84 on Mar 13th 2019 at 3:37:31 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Druplesnubb Editor of Posts Since: Dec, 2013
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#27914: Mar 12th 2019 at 12:38:08 AM

I still completely fail to understand how not being "heroic" enough would stop someone from appearing properly as a vestige.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#27915: Mar 12th 2019 at 12:41:58 AM

It's possible that those two vestiges for whatever reason don't quite think Deku is ready to meet them yet.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27916: Mar 12th 2019 at 12:54:55 AM

[up][up]You're conflating the meta reasoning with the in-story reasoning. I don't think the in-story reason will be that they were villains, I think Horikoshi wanted to single those two out, specifically, and making them silhouettes was an easy way to do it. Them being villains happens to be a fairly plausible reason for why they would be singled out, but the in-story reason will probably amount to something different.

Although even if that were directly the in-story reason it's not like you could claim that doesn't make sense - it's not like we have any idea how this whole inner world thing works in the first place. Horikoshi could say almost anything and we'd just have to go with it at this point because nothing has been established to the contrary.

Edited by LSBK on Mar 12th 2019 at 2:39:06 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27917: Mar 12th 2019 at 1:11:53 AM

[up][up][up][up] With all the Avatars over the centuries I wonder if some gained infamy for being less benign than usual. After all maintaining balance has no direct interpretation.

Also another funny thing that’s not directly related to MHA. Studio Bones has announced they are adapting for Netflix the American superhero comic Super Crooks written by Mark “The Goat-Licker” Millar & drawn by Leinil Yu according to here.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2019-03-11/netflix-announces-dragon-dogma-wit-studio-vampire-in-the-garden-bones-super-crooks-anime/.144433

According to the synopsis it’s about a bunch of super-villains planning for the ultimate last score by robbing the biggest bad super-villain around in Spain.

First Concrete Revolutio: Choujin Gensou, then MHA, now this. Man Bones is really getting into the superhero genre. tongue

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 12th 2019 at 1:15:27 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#27918: Mar 12th 2019 at 1:17:31 AM

[up]Keep in mind that "balance" in the Avatar-verse seems to be short-hand for maintaining world peace. The Avatar cycle began in the first place because the first Avatar Wan was unable to end the chaos he unleashed even after a lifetime of fighting battle after battle. The Avatar Cycle is a never-ending attempt to fix Wan's mistake.

Also keep in mind that the source of the Avatar's power is a spiritual fusion with Raava, a literal spirit of Harmony and Light.

Edited by M84 on Mar 12th 2019 at 4:18:26 PM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27919: Mar 12th 2019 at 1:18:56 AM

Then again Raava was kind of a douche so possible Super-Dickey there. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#27920: Mar 12th 2019 at 1:22:56 AM

I mean, the later Chaos isn't really Vaatu's fault. Or Wan's.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#27921: Mar 12th 2019 at 1:31:55 AM

Wan opened the floodgates when he released Vaatu. Vaatu may not have directly caused all of the chaos that followed, but the very act of freeing Vaatu was enough to jolt the world out of the somewhat balanced state it was originally. The metaphysical spiritual imbalance threw the world into turmoil. This turmoil is what the Avatar Cycle is meant to confront.

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alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#27922: Mar 12th 2019 at 1:46:04 AM

I mean, sure, that's what the series preaches, but the world sucked a lot in it's "balanced" state still.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#27923: Mar 12th 2019 at 1:58:53 AM

Such is the price of stability I guess. Wan's world was balanced, but it wasn't perfect. But it was still preferable to the near constant warfare that followed.

And I probably should stop — this isn't the Avatar thread.

Edited by M84 on Mar 12th 2019 at 5:00:10 PM

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Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#27924: Mar 12th 2019 at 7:21:51 PM

Earlier I speculated that Nana had a decay quirk similar to her grandson, would a supercharged version of that turn Midoriya into an outright Walking Wasteland?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27925: Mar 12th 2019 at 7:25:03 PM

I would think so.

It’s the logical conclusion of such a powers advancement.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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