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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#27676: Feb 20th 2019 at 7:37:21 PM

Just watched Two heroes.

Simple and to the point, but I enjoyed it.

Because if you're doing a Super Hero homage, you need a Super Hero team up.[tup]

One Strip! One Strip!
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27677: Feb 21st 2019 at 9:27:08 PM

So I've been thinking about how important it is to have a powerful Quirk/being powerful in the setting and what exactly constitutes a powerful Quirk for a hero in the first place. And I think a lot of people make some weird assumptions about that.

Like, obviously being strong is important - All Might was able to do what he was because he was strong, and a running theme that's been recently reaffirmed by Aizawa is that if you aren't strong enough to take care of yourself you shouldn't even be talking about helping others.

Still, while there are a fair number of straightforward, hit really hard/big explosion powers, I've notice a lot of people tend to underestimate/devalue powers that aren't that, even if they're obviously really useful. I've seen this come up with the Hero Top 10, with people (for some reason) assuming they're weak for not having primarily offensive powers (something that hasn't even been clarified, but whatever).

Related to that, a lot of people seem to consider it a flaw that the Top 10 is calculated based on things besides explicit "hit them harder" power, even though it makes perfect sense that things like popularity, how reassuring the populace finds them, and participation/number of incidents resolved would be factored into something like this. Plus, logic would indicate that how involved/reassuring the public finds a hero would correlate with how strong and/or skilled they are, even if not direct causation.

Which also factors into why All Might was No. 1, because while his incredibly strength was clearly very important, if you think that was the only important thing about him, or the only reason him retiring was such a big loss, you're missing one of the big lessons that both Bakugo and Endeavor are supposed to be learning.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27678: Feb 21st 2019 at 9:32:31 PM

So essentially some fans are making the hero rankings into a strictly Power Level thing when its really not.

Not surprising, these are shonen fans were're talking about.

I've seen people dissing Deku just because he won't reach Naruto/Ichigo/Goku levels of power escalation.

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 21st 2019 at 9:32:45 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#27679: Feb 21st 2019 at 9:56:38 PM

Unrelated, earlier people where wondering what Nana's original quirk was and how One For All would enhance it, considering Shigaraki's power I think it may be related to that.

Edited by Kaiseror on Feb 21st 2019 at 11:56:58 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#27680: Feb 21st 2019 at 9:58:45 PM

Although if Nana had a rotting power, one would think that All Might might have suspected a connection between her and Shigaraki sooner.

Disgusted, but not surprised
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27681: Feb 21st 2019 at 10:00:58 PM

No one in universe suspects a connection between Endeavor and Dabi, either. Something like that would most likely be chopped up as a coincidence. There are a lot of people in the world after all, similarities between Quirks even among unrelated people are inevitable.

Edited by LSBK on Feb 21st 2019 at 12:01:41 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#27682: Feb 21st 2019 at 10:03:09 PM

Nana presumably doesn't have exactly the same rotting Quirk he does obviously. If she did, her gloves would rot since all five fingers are touching the insides of the gloves.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#27683: Feb 21st 2019 at 10:03:11 PM

Also I don't think All Might saw what his quirk was as Shigaraki didn't get to use it after he shown up.

[up] Perhaps her gloves were specially treated to prevent her from rotting whatever she touched?

Edited by Kaiseror on Feb 21st 2019 at 12:04:32 PM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27684: Feb 21st 2019 at 10:07:17 PM

I do expect that Shigaraki's Quirk was derived from Nana's, although not exactly the same.

I've been thinking of her having a sort of Green Thumb ability that let her speed up the growth of things. And at some point due to mixing (because she is only one of Shigaraki's four grandparents, after all) that got turned into Shigaraki's Decay.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27685: Feb 21st 2019 at 10:07:30 PM

Huh Shigaraki can't wear gloves.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#27686: Feb 21st 2019 at 10:11:40 PM

[up]He can't wear a full glove, at least. If the glove was missing a finger or something he'd be able to wear it.

Disgusted, but not surprised
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27687: Feb 21st 2019 at 10:38:12 PM

Speaking of the other Quirks, he seems to be able to pass Black Whip off as just a new derivation of the super strength (probably could say something like the "power up energy" is becoming physical, or whatever), but depending on what the others are that probably isn't going to fly.

I wonder what the answer is going to be then? Either way, I look forward to seeing, and also any new support items he gets to use the new Quirks. That's one of my favorite things about the series: seeing what items people have to go with their powers.

Edited by LSBK on Feb 21st 2019 at 12:38:36 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27688: Feb 22nd 2019 at 12:57:25 AM

And in some humorous news, we got some leaks for the Jump Force DLC roster & All Might & Bakugo may be in the line-up.

And if you see in the Jump Force thread of course some people are reacting poorly to Bakugo. tongue

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 22nd 2019 at 12:57:53 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#27689: Feb 22nd 2019 at 3:17:54 AM

There's some beauty to the fact that Deku can literally say whatever he wants about his quirk at this point.

"Uh... Yeah I guess I just. Made the energy solid or something? How? Well, fuck if I know I manifested ten years late!"

Elfive (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#27690: Feb 22nd 2019 at 6:21:27 AM

Shigaraki could wear a full glove is he wore a partial glove underneath it.

asterism from the place I'm at Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#27691: Feb 22nd 2019 at 7:46:00 AM

I remember seeing a fan comic about Shigaraki accidentally disintegrating his own clothes and stuff like that.

Bewitching Eyes
SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#27692: Feb 22nd 2019 at 8:17:56 AM

The ages might be a little off but I like to imagine that All for One is a touch-based quirk, and Af O's plan to make Shimura's descendant his successor was massively shafted by Shigarakai's decay quirk and he scrambled to fond telekinetic women to breed with to try and create some long-range variant of his quirk.

Which begs an interesting question- what would happen if All for One took someone's quirk and replaced it with someone else's? I wouldn't thibk that it would still Nomuufy them, but I wouldn't be too surprised if it still did if the replacement quirk was too complex compared to what they originally had.

TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#27693: Feb 22nd 2019 at 8:48:24 AM

[up] Wouldn't that be like chopping off someone's arm and replace it with the arm of someone else?

Takes a while to get used to but it would work like usual with some training and control.

He might trade AFO for the decay quirk once the succession takes place. Trade one lethal quirk in exchange for another, (and I am of the headcannon that AFO would do a more sinister version of what OFA is doing, meaning that AFO actually is the quirk and that the body can be changed like one of those fancy suits that AFO is wearing.)

Process: 1. Take "Decay" for himself. 2.Transfer AFO and the decay quirk back into Shikaraki. 3. Hijack Shigaraki and become a Legacy Character. 4. Rinse and repeat the criminal empire again.

Meaning that he might try and essentially possess the body of Shigaraki, warping its mind into a mirror of himself, and then continue his criminal enterprise free of his old shell and in a new form.

Like how the Joker functions. One can't just get rid of him and there will always be one running around.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#27694: Feb 22nd 2019 at 8:55:24 AM

Which begs an interesting question- what would happen if All for One took someone's quirk and replaced it with someone else's? I wouldn't thibk that it would still Nomuufy them, but I wouldn't be too surprised if it still did if the replacement quirk was too complex compared to what they originally had
We have seen him give someone else's quirk to someone who was initially Quirkless with no immediately apparent ill effect. So long as he isn't piling multiple quirks into one person, I'd assume it quirks like that did.

Edited by sgamer82 on Feb 22nd 2019 at 10:10:44 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#27695: Feb 22nd 2019 at 9:02:33 AM

Is there no new chapter this week?

One Strip! One Strip!
TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#27696: Feb 22nd 2019 at 9:06:41 AM

[up] No, I think the last one mentioned there would be a break this week around.

so one more week of brainstorming and wait.

Hurray.

SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#27697: Feb 22nd 2019 at 9:25:04 AM

I feel like a quirkless person being given a quirk would be different enough on a mental level from replacing one quirk with another. At the very least I'd expect a Centipede's Dilemma situation where someone tries to use the new quirk with the old quirk's mechanism to find it's not there anymore.

Edited by SalFishFin on Feb 22nd 2019 at 12:26:58 PM

TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#27698: Feb 22nd 2019 at 9:44:03 AM

[up] But what if they discover that the new quirk can be used with the mechanics of the old quirk?

In a way that the previous user never considered using it while they had it?

What then?

SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#27699: Feb 22nd 2019 at 10:00:58 AM

Could also happen. I mean, if they got a fire quirk replaced with an electricity quirk I'm not sure much would change in how they activate or direct it. But say it was an electricity quirk that couldn't be directed, like Kaminari's. All the fire quirk muscle memory could be for nothing.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27700: Feb 22nd 2019 at 11:48:50 AM

I don't think we're supposed to think there are different "mechanisms" for activating Quirks.

Quirks, after all, have a common origin. It's not like in a lot of super hero comics where the heroes powers all come from a ton of different sources like magic, radiation, etc.

Which isn't to say in the hypothetical the person wouldn't have any trouble controlling the new Quirk(s), just that activating it would probably be simple.

Edited by LSBK on Feb 22nd 2019 at 1:51:47 PM


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