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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27376: Jan 31st 2019 at 4:15:07 PM

I also just remembered that tons of kids with Quirks fail the applications every year & never become heroes despite it being their dream.

Gentle is one such person.

Why should Deku never give up when so many kids with more power than him have tried & failed all the same?

[up] Huh I think the same’s happening to me.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 31st 2019 at 4:16:21 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27377: Jan 31st 2019 at 4:15:20 PM

Realizing that talent alone can only get you so far is like the first thing Bakugo learned at U.A.

And as All Might said in the first chapter, and Aizawa later reittetates in his own way, it's fine to have dreams, just make sure they're obtainable.

Edited by LSBK on Jan 31st 2019 at 6:17:09 AM

danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#27378: Jan 31st 2019 at 4:17:14 PM

Nah, Bakugou still put in hard work before. If Bakugou's self-worth can be simplified as talent + hard work, he always thought his talent > everyone else's, thus adding in hard work would mean that he could cruise to the top like he did in middle school. What he discovered when he got into U.A. is that there are other kids whose talent > Bakugou's talent.

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#27379: Jan 31st 2019 at 4:17:48 PM

And he did train even before getting into UA.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27380: Jan 31st 2019 at 4:19:22 PM

Okay this is from a different person who commented after my argument ended, it’s “Mei should work with Deku & make him a hero with her special tech to make up for his lack of powers.”

Also they used Knuckleduster as another example that Quirkless heroes can work.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 31st 2019 at 4:19:49 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27381: Jan 31st 2019 at 4:19:31 PM

I know he trained before, but he realized he would have to try even harder; he had been assuming reaching the top would be easy.

Edited by LSBK on Jan 31st 2019 at 6:20:20 AM

danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#27382: Jan 31st 2019 at 4:24:18 PM

Thing is that Knuckleduster is a brawler and fights dirty when at all possible, and even then he still has trouble or outright can't win against people with Quirks that mere physical force can't overcome. And why should support companies waste resources on a Quirkless boy when they can instead use them to make people with Quirks even more effective? It's a simple multiplier. Assume Deku = 1, assume hero with a Quirk = 2. Assume support item multiplier of 1.2. So Deku with support items = 1.2, while hero with support items = 2.4. An increase of .4 versus an increase of .2 for the same cost, which would you go for?

Edited by danime91 on Jan 31st 2019 at 4:24:46 AM

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#27383: Jan 31st 2019 at 5:02:30 PM

Plus wasn't it confirmed in Vigilantes that Knuckleduster was a Hero with a quirk that lost it? He didn't start out Quirkless.

JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
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#27384: Jan 31st 2019 at 5:19:02 PM

In general a story centered around the relationship between work and talent could be pretty interesting. Although that's not quite what's going on in this case.

MHA is more about following Deku's development as a hero.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#27385: Jan 31st 2019 at 5:46:46 PM

Talent vs. Hard Work is kind of a slippery slope because most of those stories do not understand the basic logic of it.

All those who work hard don't always succeed, but all who succeed have worked hard.

It just puts a false dichtomy on those who work hard will always be good at what they work hard at and that those who have talent have never worked hard a day in their life.

I was damn good at Math in school, but I mostly got 70's...mainly cuz I was lazy, but even when I actually did try I found it difficult because I rarely had to flex those brain cells.

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vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
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#27386: Jan 31st 2019 at 6:17:29 PM

Talent vs. Hard Work is kind of a slippery slope because most of those stories do not understand the basic logic of it.

All those who work hard don't always succeed, but all who succeed have worked hard.

Right on the money. Same with the other guy who said it's a false dichotomy to divide hard work and talent as mutually exclusive.

IRL, no one is really destined or guaranteed anything. You just get likelier chances for success. And it's a bitter pill to swallow, the fact that not even hard work itself is going to guarantee your success.

But just because that's the case doesn't mean it's meaningless to try.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#27387: Jan 31st 2019 at 6:30:02 PM

Authors do have to tell a story, so I get it. It's more inspiring to watch someone succeed just by working for it and show up people who look down on him.

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vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
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#27388: Jan 31st 2019 at 6:36:01 PM

Powerful narrative

I do understand why people may not like the direction of Deku's heroic journey let alone recent events, but I don't feel that to be an error on the story's part.

It's more like previous conceptions of what you may want and how this story's premise isn't that causes disappointment.

If we never had multiple Quirk Deku ever, I feel that's fine. But since we have this, I do admit I trust Horikoshi a lot to handle it okay and make it convincing.

I never got into Naruto but based on others' discussions, it seemed as if there were genuinely good stuff there and then things got overall stupid. I'll maintain the general quality of this story is pretty solid so far, so I'm optimistic.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27389: Jan 31st 2019 at 7:56:45 PM

I'm fine if people have different personal preferences to me, I just want them to be honest about it.

On to this recent development, specifically, I never really liked it when people brought up the possibility before, and I'm still unsure about it now. And I do think it's pretty likely that, whether it turns out really well or really badly, this is probably never going to feel necessary. But maybe I'll be surprised and when all is said and done I'll think "yeah, I'm really glad this happened, the series is a lot better off for it."

Right now, my main interests is in what the other Quirks will be, how he'll use them to complement his style, and any new support items he might be getting. Because regardless of what they might be, I imagine the Super-Strength is still going to be his main thing, and the new Quirks are basically going to be supplements.

Edited by LSBK on Jan 31st 2019 at 9:57:38 AM

SkormSnow-Strider Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#27390: Jan 31st 2019 at 7:57:40 PM

"And then things got stupid" is basically an old hat for the genre. That being said, I've been relatively impressed with how the author has handled nearly everything so far, so I'm more than willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Edited by SkormSnow-Strider on Jan 31st 2019 at 11:14:39 AM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27391: Jan 31st 2019 at 8:06:53 PM

[up]This is super picky of me, I know, but you had it right the first time - "more than" not "more then".

Edited by LSBK on Jan 31st 2019 at 10:16:11 AM

vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
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#27392: Jan 31st 2019 at 8:08:26 PM

It's mentioned that the main power buff did affect the strength of the other wielders' Quirks so I'm not feeling they'll be very superfluous.

Black Whip basically being Symbiote webbing does make it a very versatile and useful ability even for stuff outside of combat so I'm interested.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27393: Jan 31st 2019 at 8:09:29 PM

I didn't say superfluous, I said supplementary. They're gonna be useful, obviously, but they're never going to be his main bread butter.

Edited by LSBK on Jan 31st 2019 at 10:10:11 AM

SkormSnow-Strider Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#27394: Jan 31st 2019 at 8:14:26 PM

I'd tell you it was an accident, but I don't even remember editing it. tongue

And I do think it's pretty likely that, whether it turns out really well or really badly, this is probably never going to feel necessary.

Given what's likely going to happen, IE All for One quirk coming into play again, I'd argue getting supplementary powers and them all influencing each other stacks the odds better in the favor of the hero, which I do think is necessary. The biggest pitfall is the fact that this just started happening and it never happened before, which then puts things into the whole "We've been waiting for the chosen one" kind of spiel which is usually when things like this jump the shark.

It all really comes from a lack of information and what the authors going to do with it. I can buy the quirk being warped and mutating previous quirks that were attached to it, but I really hope it pulls the journey into the center of the mind thing sparingly.

Edited by SkormSnow-Strider on Jan 31st 2019 at 11:24:21 AM

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#27395: Jan 31st 2019 at 8:21:16 PM

But yea if Hori's intentions was to show Class B was just as good as Class A, he failed horrifically on that lol. They only won one match, and it was against Momo no less, not much of an achievement. They even got swept in their last two matches by the main characters lol.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27396: Jan 31st 2019 at 8:22:34 PM

Well they scored a win & a draw so it’s not a complete bust at least. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#27397: Jan 31st 2019 at 8:40:00 PM

Yes, but it defeats the whole purpose of "Class B isn't inferior to class A" so I'm kind of wondering what was the point?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27398: Jan 31st 2019 at 8:42:31 PM

Yeah, not really sure what the thought process here was.

Anyway, I've brought this up before, but who thinks we might be in for a little time-skip now.

Maybe to their next semester or even to the beginning of their second year? I've been thinking now would be a good time for awhile.

Edited by LSBK on Jan 31st 2019 at 10:42:42 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27399: Jan 31st 2019 at 8:42:52 PM

Well we learned who makes the best chili right? tongue

[up] I wouldn’t be surprised. A little break time for everyone & for Deku to look into his powers.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 31st 2019 at 8:43:41 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#27400: Jan 31st 2019 at 9:29:37 PM

I can't see a time-skip happening. Not any kind of substantial one like onset of Winter to Spring of the following year, that's for sure. If nothing else, we just had everyone unveil their winter costumes. I can't see that not sticking around at least a little bit. If there's any kind of timeskip, it'll be concurrent to whatever more major events are about to kick up next after this arc's done.


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