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Elfive (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#27276: Jan 28th 2019 at 6:37:59 AM

Oh, absolutely. We saw that too.

Hell, maybe one way he got followers was to take their quirks and give them back if they agreed to serve him.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#27277: Jan 28th 2019 at 7:17:49 AM

AFO was more or less unstoppable in those days. His mastery over Quirks gave him vast power and nobody could realistically oppose him. Conventional force was nothing against him, and no Quirk user could stand up to him either — he'd just steal their Quirk.

OFA is the only Quirk that had any chance of countering AFO since it's the only Quirk that is immune to being stolen.

Disgusted, but not surprised
TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#27278: Jan 28th 2019 at 8:15:46 AM

Makes one wonder when the next "AFO" will appear...

(Not completely the same... Either one who gives quirks only or only takes them for themselves, or trade the quirks between two people without the power to use them for themselves, but still similar enough to turn into a threat akin of AFO. Three different versions of the power, split in three.)

Wouldn't that be something to see...

Edited by TitanJump on Jan 28th 2019 at 5:17:02 PM

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#27279: Jan 28th 2019 at 8:17:05 AM

Shigiraki

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TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#27280: Jan 28th 2019 at 8:25:06 AM

[up] Not talking about the actual AFO here... but people with powers similar to it.

1: One who only steals quirks without possibility to give them back.

2: One who only grant people random quirks without stealing any.

3: One who can make two people trade quirks with each other without being able to use any of them for itself.

That kind of thing.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#27281: Jan 28th 2019 at 8:47:43 AM

What's the point? It'd be a step down for the next team of villains to essentially be watered down versions of the Big Bad.

That's not scary. That's boring and derivative.

Disgusted, but not surprised
TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#27282: Jan 28th 2019 at 8:49:14 AM

Who said it would be a villain?

I was talking about a quirk emerging similar to that one in the world. The quirk AFO not the man.

Just to make it clear.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#27283: Jan 28th 2019 at 9:06:47 AM

Still derivative. Your idea for new characters are ones who have weaker versions of a power that has already been shown?

Disgusted, but not surprised
TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#27284: Jan 28th 2019 at 9:28:17 AM

[up] Would be one way to destroy the threat of AFO once and for all, right?

If AFO tries to steal GTA (Get Them All: The Thief Quirk/1) He would be incapable of granting any more quirks.

If GTA snatch AFO then AFO no longer is in the hands of the villain side anymore, since it will die with GTA who still will only be able to steal quirks and not use them for themselves.

If AFO tries to steal quirks, then STA (Share Them All: The quirk trader/3) and MTA (Make Them All: The Quirk Giver/2) just have to cooperate in that MTA grants STA an additional, worthless, quirk that STA "trades" with a stolen quirk of AFO in order to give it back to the victim and drain some of AFO's combat power in the progress.

All to give GTA a perfect chance to steal and nullify AFO to end the fight.

Not saying these would be new characters in canon, but the quirks themselves could be a option within the verse of the MHA, on the heroic or civilian side of things, as a fan-alternative regarding how to handle a threat such as AFO without making it too unbelievable.

(And yes, this is all basically fanfiction until this point and paragraph, I know that.)

I mean, what exactly are the current options within the story regarding how to handle a quirk like AFO who is planning to change bodies from the crippled form of AFO and into Shigaraki? Especially since if anyone tried to do to the latter what they did to the former, then Decay would just destroy any possible restraints that could hold him down.

How exactly is this quirk supposed to be dealt with in accordance within the canon options exactly?

Edited by TitanJump on Jan 28th 2019 at 6:40:08 PM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27285: Jan 28th 2019 at 11:45:17 AM

Honestly, I think you kind of have to push it into the back of your mind how AFO is apparently the only person who has a Quirk like his, but still, Titan Jump, M84 is right about your idea at it's core being derivative - that you can add some asterisks to it doesn't really make it good for the story.

As for Nighteye - they said when he looks into the near future he can give precise dates, but when he's looking years into the future that's when things will get muddy. That's why all All Might could say is that his impending death would either happen this year or the next.

JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
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#27286: Jan 28th 2019 at 5:04:24 PM

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it works on the basis of "the predictions are more accurate/comprehensible the nearer they are, and the further into the future he looks the more fuzzy it is." We don't know how far into the future he had to look to see All Might's death, but it would have to be pretty far off.

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#27287: Jan 28th 2019 at 5:14:48 PM

Well they haven’t talked to each other in years I think so he was looking several years into the future.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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#27288: Jan 28th 2019 at 6:12:49 PM

Which makes me wonder, can Shikaraki even clench his hands into fists?

Probably if he leaves the thumbs out to the sides (the "hitchhiker pose") but still, that would just make it harder to get a good punch in...

Great, now I can't get the mental image of Shigaraki beating the shit out of someone with a permanent double-thumbs-up out of my head.

Other than that though, if we're speaking in technical and not narrative terms it's probably gonna take a looong time for another "AFO" per se to emerge, and even then it's probably not gonna be natural.

Either that or it'd be the result of a genetic mutation like Eri, but that was still a rare thing to happen and pretty long way down her family tree. Not that having a clone AFO would be good for the plot at all.

He's supposed to be the only one with that quirk anyway. Though not to say that it or something else like it won't resurface again. I mean we have Monoma, he basically gives off the vibe of a discount store AFO.

Well, that’d be jus’ a waste. Why would ya want to deprive the world of such anomaly as yourself?
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27289: Jan 28th 2019 at 6:20:20 PM

[up][up][up]We do know, they said either six or seven years from when he looked into All Might's future. That's why All Might was expecting to die either this year or the next.

They don't know exactly when but apparently Nighteye could tell that much.

Edited by LSBK on Jan 28th 2019 at 8:25:22 AM

SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#27290: Jan 28th 2019 at 7:10:10 PM

Hold on. Do we even know the mechanism behind All For One stealing quirks? My mind says it's the Red-and-black Tron Tentacles he had when he fought All Might, but that wasn't confirmed.

If it's touch ranged, I can see an issue with giving it to Shigaraki. Unless, I guess, he takes Decay first, then passes him All for One, of which Decay would then be a part.

It would also be mildly hilarious if the pass-along mechanism involved DNA like One for All. He'd have to be scouring battlefields for hair to snack on and stuff...

Edited by SalFishFin on Jan 28th 2019 at 10:11:45 AM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27291: Jan 28th 2019 at 7:15:29 PM

We saw in the One for All flashback he doesn't even have to touch people. He just got close to them and instantly took (or gave) Quirks.

You could say that might have just been dramatization not meant to seriously represent the process, but I don't think so.

Edited by LSBK on Jan 28th 2019 at 9:15:42 AM

TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#27292: Jan 28th 2019 at 8:35:05 PM

If the trigger turns out to be "Must have their exhale air inhaled by AFO and AFO must want to inhale the quirk in" in order to have someone's quirk stolen...then no wonder it was a GB-quirk to begin with...

...In that case, having breathing aid would limit AFO's ability to steal and give, since, as mentioned, if the trigger turns out to be his breath (inhale to steal and exhale to give) then having the mouth covered and breathing into a tank would keep him from doing both.

Edited by TitanJump on Jan 28th 2019 at 5:35:58 PM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27293: Jan 28th 2019 at 8:40:53 PM

That's a very specific guess you have there, that I find pretty unlikely. I don't think you need to assume has some "condition" to activate his Quirk besides distance - he gets close enough and, boom, he use his Quirk.

TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#27294: Jan 28th 2019 at 8:44:35 PM

Specific guesses are easier to dismiss than vague ones. Just picking options.

Eye-contact? (No, AFO doesn't even have eyes at this point...)

Radiation Field? (Emitting a field around his body and anyone coming in within its borders? Target.)

TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#27295: Jan 29th 2019 at 12:59:54 AM

On other topics of more relevance...

Depending on how this week's chapter goes, how do you all think the fandom will react if Izuku seemingly goes Instant Expert regarding his usage of Black Whip in this match?

Considering what I saw in the history section regarding "broken base" on the mha page here, I'm a bit fearful regarding this topic, since both sides of the aisle might stand up to debate about it from both directions.

Izuku: Instant Expert or not?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27296: Jan 29th 2019 at 1:03:04 AM

I think equating him being able to use it with being an expert is jumping the gun in a way that should be pretty obvious considering the how the series has run into this point.

He could always use One for All, that's never been the same thing as "mastering" it. To a lesser extent, that's true for everyone else as well.

I see no reason for it to be any different for these new Quirks.

Edited by LSBK on Jan 29th 2019 at 3:06:02 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#27297: Jan 29th 2019 at 1:11:56 AM

I'm pretty sure he hasn't "mastered" Black Whip. He's just able to use it without having it go out of control and killing everyone.

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27298: Jan 29th 2019 at 1:13:27 AM

At this point he has tempered both his body & mind through harsh training & battle.

So of course he’s better at getting this than he was at the beginning of the seiries.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27299: Jan 29th 2019 at 1:14:46 AM

Like, if he immediately starts Spiderman-ing around with flawless and natural movements I'm going to be pissed.

But him being able to use it to catch a couple of things near him? No, I'm not upset about that. And if some people are, it strikes me as trying to make the complaint of "I don't like that this is happening" which has been around since this revelation, seem like it is actually something different.

Edited by LSBK on Jan 29th 2019 at 3:15:40 AM

TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#27300: Jan 29th 2019 at 1:14:46 AM

I'm just worried that some people might be jumping the gun on this one depending on the outcome.

Trying to steer clear of that before it starts.


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