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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27126: Jan 24th 2019 at 12:12:48 AM

Also, still wondering what All for One meant about hearing his brother's voice.

Obviously it's going to get tied back to One for All somehow, but we now know he wasn't the cause of this incident.

Cozzer Since: Mar, 2015
#27127: Jan 24th 2019 at 12:15:18 AM

"Why should I wait and see what actually happens, when I can have a self-righteous, overblown emotional reaction to what I assume will happen?".

God, fandoms.

ellie666 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#27128: Jan 24th 2019 at 12:28:09 AM

Who in your opinion is the strongest 1A student? There has been some controversy about who the strongest between Bakugo, Deku, and Todoroki. In my opinion Deku is the strongest out of the three because of 20% Full Cowl. Give your answer and reason.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27129: Jan 24th 2019 at 12:32:01 AM

He can only use 20% Full Cowl for like less than a minute, so I really don't think you should be using that as a definitive argument.

Putting that aside, you could make reasonable arguments for any of the "who would beat who in a fight" hypotheticals for the three, but I'm not super interested in those.

Edited by LSBK on Jan 24th 2019 at 2:46:51 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#27130: Jan 24th 2019 at 12:34:42 AM

Todoroki is the strongest at this time. Deku can and will eventually be more powerful but he's not there yet. Bakugou however is probably the best fighter out of the three under most circumstances.

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27131: Jan 24th 2019 at 12:38:47 AM

I recently just had an argument (I think yesterday or the day before, very recent) about Eri, person stated her existence is an asspull, & I argued that none of the fears have happened.

Their rebuttal: It doesn't matter. The fact that Eri exists at all & is not currently locked up in some far away secluded location means that she will inevitably pull an asspull.

Its pretty much actual paranoia, they throw shit fits over "IF's" just "IF's", even when provided evidence against their claims the fact its a possibility makes it all null apparently. Pure jumping to conclusions indeed.

Its some fucking stupid-ass shit I tell you what.

Also Todoroki is the most powerful while Bakugo is the most skilled.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 24th 2019 at 12:41:03 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27132: Jan 24th 2019 at 12:44:46 AM

Tropes like Ass Pull and Deus ex Machina are borderline meaningless now.

There are still legitimate examples they can be applied to, so I'm not going to say they are meaningless, but most people use them as if they were short-hands that mean "thing I don't like in a story".

And it's especially annoying because it's unnecessary - they're can be perfectly valid reasons to dislike a plot development, that is nonetheless not either of those tropes. But some people act like admitting that somehow means they're saying whatever they're complaining about is okay or well-written when it doesn't have to mean that all.

Edited by LSBK on Jan 24th 2019 at 2:47:53 PM

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#27133: Jan 24th 2019 at 12:45:31 AM

But which of them can tell why kids like cinnamon toast crunch.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27134: Jan 24th 2019 at 12:59:45 AM

This is basically what we are going through.

We've reached a controversial plot-point that has sent the fandom into a bit of a confusion & people are taking advantage of it to shat on the series like a bunch of vultures.

Like I've seen some other complaints, they are basically along the tone of "RUINED FOREVER", extreme over exaggerations that comes across more for complaining & being angry or people going "Man don't know what your talking about, this series has always been crap".

I remember similar happening with Eri & the whole stopped Nighteye's future thing. Now the latter had some issues but I do recall people going fucking nuts over it. There's a certain level of emotion or venom I've seen that makes me think its not about critiquing.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 24th 2019 at 1:00:36 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#27135: Jan 24th 2019 at 1:03:47 AM

Okay so I've never actually watch Bn HA since I intend to wait til it ends in case it pulls a Naruto and start declining, but from what I can gather from the outrage , One For All just displayed the ability to pass on other quirks, thus becoming even more awesome. Another argument I have heard is that, similar to Naruto and the revelations of his past, this is also related to the message of hard work that Shounen keep saying yet also have their protagonist be super special. Like, yes, mastering these abilities would be extremely difficult, but he is still given more potential than other people.

Like, an American athlete gets better equipment and trainers to work with than an athlete from a third world country and thus better results even if they put in the same effort. Not saying the former doesn't put in effort, heck, perhaps even more since the required training may be harsher, but the option is still unavailable to others.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27136: Jan 24th 2019 at 1:15:23 AM

That's another thing, the idea that Deku himself is responsible for gaining more access.

The heavy implication or more stated is that Deku isn't what made OFA upgrade, it was due to the timing. That the quirk being passed around 9 times has somehow reached something called Singularity and its shown with that small flashback with Nana this may have been building up for decades.

So chances are if it wasn't Deku it would have been someone else like Mirio. He's not a chosen one, it was maybe a complete coincidence that it started for real around his time.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27137: Jan 24th 2019 at 1:16:38 AM

Another argument I have heard is that, similar to Naruto and the revelations of his past, this is also related to the message of hard work that Shounen keep saying yet also have their protagonist be super special. Like, yes, mastering these abilities would be extremely difficult, but he is still given more potential than other people.

That's only an issue to me if the series tries to pretend the person and/or their circumstances aren't special despite clearly being so. Naruto tried to do that for awhile, before eventually basically making Naruto Jesus. But that One for All is special and will enable Izuku to become the greatest hero ever is the premise of the story, it's not some Broken Aesop , even if some other people would have preferred the story was something different.

As for him having more potential than others, so? I fail to see why that in any way should somehow devalue the actual hard work being done to realize said potential, and to imply it does is very disrespectful to people with talent. Shokugeki no Soma has some interesting backstory with the main character's father that pointed this out.

Like, an American athlete gets better equipment and trainers to work with than an athlete from a third world country and thus better results even if they put in the same effort. Not saying the former doesn't put in effort, heck, perhaps even more since the required training may be harsher, but the option is still unavailable to others.

My response is still "so"? Like, yes, if things were different they would be different, but in the scenario you laid out the athlete is still the better athlete and they still worked hard for it. That things could have been different doesn't change how things are, nor does it invalidate their efforts and struggles.

Edited by LSBK on Jan 24th 2019 at 3:27:21 AM

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#27138: Jan 24th 2019 at 1:36:28 AM

Well, this issue is prevalent in society, whether in academics, sports or other fields. People get upset because they don't get the same opportunities even if they work harder. That their efforts aren't rewarded. Of course, this isn't my argument, namely because heroism isn't a competition. Deku getting to become the best hero is a good thing, and the guy obsessed with making his kid have an advantage, Endeavor, is the asshole. Deku works hard to make use of his abilities to help people, not for self-gain. Same with people doing sports for passion than money. Unless the chosen one trope is used, I don't mind, but people are going to.

Edited by Ikedatakeshi on Jan 24th 2019 at 5:37:08 PM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27139: Jan 24th 2019 at 1:39:05 AM

I mean, I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with The Chosen One. Tropes Are Not Bad, after all, even if they can be used badly.

As far as opportunity goes, even if everyone in the world literally had the exact same opportunities, some people would do better. Equal opportunity and equal outcome are not the same thing.

There's nothing wrong with acknowledging that basic fact, and if people do have a problem with that, I feel that's less any story's fault, and more the reader's.

Edited by LSBK on Jan 24th 2019 at 3:42:02 AM

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#27140: Jan 24th 2019 at 1:42:00 AM

I don't like the idea of destiny deciding who's special. That there is an outside force that decides who gets to succeed and who fails. If it's just random chance, yes, but not when an actual sentient force does it.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27141: Jan 24th 2019 at 1:43:23 AM

The Chosen One isn't just about destiny, and destiny and immutable fate aren't the same thing.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27142: Jan 24th 2019 at 1:46:11 AM

Huh I also had a recent argument about that topic.

Person said “It’s a bad message for the kids.”

Heh it’s just life. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#27143: Jan 24th 2019 at 1:49:50 AM

[up][up] Okay, but the idea that someone gets advantages based on someone's will is where I draw the line. It's basically nepotism.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#27144: Jan 24th 2019 at 1:57:51 AM

I haven't really commented on this development because I'm pretty ehh on it. It could go really badly, it could go well, but right now it doesn't feel like it was needed.

It is good to get a better idea of how OFA works and have the mystery being developed further. But I'm concerned with Deku's powerset becoming too broad to feel developed (I was enjoying the developing of his super strength in stages) and the additional quirks might overshadow his own prowess. At the same time, depending on the nature of his quirks, this could be an opportunity to have Deku be more tactical in his approaches.

And yes, this does make OFA even more of a privilege for Deku. Such a privilege is obviously much harder to reconcile with aesops on hard work, as well as a potential issue in showing the hero's own worth, but that's a matter of how the story presents said worth.

If it were just a matter of OF A making Deku the best, than yeah it wouldn't let Deku's worth show. But the story is clearly questioning Deku's worth as a successor, which characters like Nighteye and Mirio contribute towards. That's how the story shows the worth Deku has, by developing this front.

The story has acknowledged that Deli is incredibly privileged, and hasn't tried to deny that.

Druplesnubb Editor of Posts Since: Dec, 2013
Editor of Posts
#27145: Jan 24th 2019 at 3:35:06 AM

I think I would be a lot more okay with this development if it wasn't stated that all these new quirks also will be massively boosted. Giving Izuku new powers could open up for some interesting strategies, but when you have half a dozen different super moves it's hard to think of anything challenging enough to actually require it. All Might was already someone who could mostly just punch his way through everything; now imagine if he also had the quirks of Endeavor, Hawks, Best Jeanist, Edgeshot, Mirko, Kamui Woods and Ryukyu.

Druplesnubb Editor of Posts Since: Dec, 2013
Editor of Posts
#27146: Jan 24th 2019 at 3:38:58 AM

Another interesting spin would be if unlocking these new powers would permanently cost part of AFO's strength enhancement abilities, like if it converted AFO's pure power into the various abilities. It would prevent Deku from becoming too OP and is anyone really excited to see Deku go from 8% to 15% or whatever anyway?

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#27147: Jan 24th 2019 at 6:03:01 AM

I don't like the idea of destiny deciding who's special. That there is an outside force that decides who gets to succeed and who fails. If it's just random chance, yes, but not when an actual sentient force does it.
That's pretty much been what we've had here. Outside of the Japanese "is this a fated encounter" cliche, everything that's happened has been either a direct result of characters' choices or blind dumb luck.

What's happening to Izuku now would have happened regardless of who had gotten One For All. It could just as easily have been Mirio in his place.

EDIT: On thinking about this, it's occurred to me that, when you really think about it, every story has an outside force deciding who succeeds and who fails. That's exactly what the author is, after all. It's just that part of being the audience is allowing Willing Suspension of Disbelief take hold and let us forget that.

Edited by sgamer82 on Jan 24th 2019 at 9:01:39 AM

Ninety Absolutely no relation to NLK from Land of Quakes and Hills Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
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#27148: Jan 24th 2019 at 11:11:56 AM

@last page: /a/ has a very vocal hatedom of MHA. Honestly, the shitposting around this twist has been more funny than butthurt, for a change.

Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#27149: Jan 24th 2019 at 11:14:59 AM

I remember fondly when that wasn't the case.

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