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CitizenH Since: Feb, 2014
#27076: Jan 20th 2019 at 2:09:36 AM

The whole "only one power" thing is contradicted in universe anyways.

Todoroki clearly has TWO powers. It's not "temperature control" because that wouldn't DO what he can do. He's conjuring ice without any water AND creating flame with no fuel. That's not a function of one single mechanism.

Likewise, Tsuyu has got A BUNCH of separate mutations. Just because you put them all under one thematic umbrella of "frog physiology" doesn't change that fact; biology isn't based around themes.

Even if you could make THAT argument, Tsunotori having equine features AND the ability to telekinetically control horns that she shoots is also multiple powers because HORSES DON'T SHOOT TELEKINESIS HORNS! tongue

Within the established rules of the world, by all rights the conversation should go exactly like this:

Kirishima: "Hey Midoriya, how is it that you have, like, seven Quirks now?"

Deku: "Oh, well you see it turns out my Quirk is 'Do Anything'. It, uh, lets me do anything I need it to."

Kirishima: "Right on! That makes perfect sense and is acceptable because you took a bunch is disparate abilities and put them under one name!"

Deku: "Phew!"

Suneater: "Why are my ears ringing?"

Edited by CitizenH on Jan 20th 2019 at 3:04:28 AM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27077: Jan 20th 2019 at 2:09:42 AM

[up][up]As a start? Are you just assuming he's going to tell people any of that? And, no, "people will know he's lying" is not a good answer.

[up]It's not "one power", it's "one Quirk". It just so happens that some Quirks let people do more than one thing, but all of Tsuyu's frog qualities originate from one single source. In this world, yes, biology totally works that way.

And for you Todoroki example, 1) they've specifically said parents' Quirks can mix to do new things in kids and 2) those are just clear examples of Elemental Baggage, you aren't supposed to think about it seriously.

Edited by LSBK on Jan 20th 2019 at 4:23:23 AM

TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#27078: Jan 20th 2019 at 2:13:26 AM

Nope.

Hence the awkward moments coming up after the match is settled...(All Might's jaw is going to drop once he hears of the circumstances of the dark tendrils...)

...especially if Monoma gets a hold of him and something else to contradict the official statement of his quirk "Super Power" happens that complicates things further in keeping the secret's lid on.

Edited by TitanJump on Jan 20th 2019 at 11:18:25 AM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27079: Jan 20th 2019 at 2:18:09 AM

I mean, I'm pretty sure they're going to talk to Aizawa about this. I could see Ochaco being let in on the secret too.

But if you're expecting some big thing where all of his classmates hound him about it, or there being some big investigation, I'm fairly certain you're going to be disappointed.

Edited by LSBK on Jan 20th 2019 at 4:18:40 AM

TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#27080: Jan 20th 2019 at 2:21:27 AM

[up] Nothing big in terms of investigations, but I do expect one or two or at most four students try and solve the mystery themselves on a minor level of seriousness on their own. (I do mean small-scale, on the level of "Who is that student dating?"-level of scale, just as a example)

Nothing that serious.

Edited by TitanJump on Jan 20th 2019 at 11:22:47 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27081: Jan 20th 2019 at 2:25:14 AM

Something funny I saw recently is that to this day some people are still batshit scared of Eri.

Its just amusing that they are still frightened of her rewind powers even after all this time.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
CitizenH Since: Feb, 2014
#27082: Jan 20th 2019 at 2:39:44 AM

[up]x5 You're missing my point. If you can mash a bunch of different abilities under one labeled "Quirk" such a distinction (between one Quirk and multiple Quirks) is meaningless since anyone could have shock absorption, super strength and rapid regeneration as long as they just call them all combined "Dura-body". But that was arbitrarily considered unusual when found in a Nomu because...plot?

The internal logic isn't consistent, because "A Quirk", one Quirk can be any power or combination of powers.

So, "I'm Izuku Midoriya and my Quirk is 'Hepta-power' which lets me do seven different things!" is perfectly reasonable in-universe and should not bat an eye so long as he frames it as one quirk and gives it a cute name. [lol]

Edited by CitizenH on Jan 20th 2019 at 2:48:26 AM

TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#27083: Jan 20th 2019 at 2:47:53 AM

[up] Just name it "Metronome" and he got all the bases covered for the future.

After all, the name and details would probably go like this. "My quirk basically allows me to use a random quirk whenever it sets off. Only one quirk can be activated at the time though and I have no clue what it will do since it's basically a dice roll whenever I activate it. I have to use my fingers to trigger it first."

Should cover well enough.

Edited by TitanJump on Jan 20th 2019 at 11:54:32 AM

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#27084: Jan 20th 2019 at 2:49:48 AM

Quirks in the first way bypass how we humans biologically work to give people horns, cat/dog heads, insect people, engine body parts, etc. The fact they defy physics was obvious from day one. Just as no one understands why the first reporting was a baby that was glowing as their quirk. They spawned literally from thin air.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#27085: Jan 20th 2019 at 3:46:03 AM

[up][up][up]Nomu was considered unusual because the Villains outright revealed that he had multiple Quirks. A Quirk with multiple properties is one thing, multiple Quirks is another thing entirely.

Also, with regards to Deku's mom, I'm with LSBK on this.

Edited by M84 on Jan 20th 2019 at 7:49:59 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Elfive (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#27086: Jan 20th 2019 at 5:49:15 AM

Ok, so Todoroki has one quirk in the sense that if All for One stole it, he couldn't just take the fire powers or the ice powers. He'd get both.

But also the way it manifests is like the same power being pushed through two different filters on either side of his body.

JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing
#27087: Jan 20th 2019 at 7:22:43 AM

Honestly, I'd think that among the general populace, suddenly manifesting new powers might make people less likely to connect Deku to All Might, if only because as far as anybody knows, his Quirk didn't do anything but give him super strength. So before, when that's the only Quirk Deku had, it would make sense to see a connection because their powers are almost the same. But once he starts generating a bunch of new powers that All Might didn't have, I'd think people would be more likely to attribute it to something else.

There's also the fact that Deku suddenly manifesting a power in his teens is considered an anomaly to start with, so anybody unaware of how his quirk actually works already thinks that it's unprecedented in function, which would make them more inclined to believe that it's just some bizarre mutation. In the sense of "well, he already randomly manifested one quirk out of nowhere, I guess it's happening again."

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#27088: Jan 20th 2019 at 7:56:35 AM

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That's an interesting point. Lets remember Eri as well, who seemingly has a quirk that's totally unrelated to what the rest of her family had, in addition to being something unprecedented.

Bakugo did figure it out, but he got a lot of clues, and knew Deku before hand, giving him an advantage in that department.

While I expect there will be some members who become suspicious, it might be possible to salvage this one at least in the short term.

One Strip! One Strip!
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#27089: Jan 20th 2019 at 8:40:51 AM

I mean, in her position would you be more likely to believe ridiculous genetic anomaly, or super Quirk passed received from the greatest hero in the world (or something of tha ilk)?

It's not naivety when you have literally nothing else to go on.

This made me think, does Inko have more to go on now than she initially did, since that Parent-Teacher Meeting with All Might. He all but called Deku this successor in that moment. Obviously, Inko would have taken that in the "best suited to my ideals" sense and not "literally gave him my power" sense, but it does form a look Inko can add on to any future observations, not unlike Bakugo.

All that said, random and rare genetic mutation covers most bases for questions. It could be used to explain later development, why how Quirk is like no one in his family line, his own and others' lack of knowledge about it, and it's t erratic behavior.

Edited by sgamer82 on Jan 20th 2019 at 9:44:03 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#27090: Jan 20th 2019 at 10:07:23 AM

Come to think of it, this might be another reason Eri was introduced: to provide a precedent for such random anomalies.

Now if they say that Deku's quirk may just be developing in ways that they didn't expect, it won't seem like totally bullshit.

One Strip! One Strip!
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27091: Jan 20th 2019 at 10:08:48 AM

You're missing my point. If you can mash a bunch of different abilities under one labeled "Quirk" such a distinction (between one Quirk and multiple Quirks) is meaningless since anyone could have shock absorption, super strength and rapid regeneration as long as they just call them all combined "Dura-body". But that was arbitrarily considered unusual when found in a Nomu because...plot?

I'm not missing your point, I'm disagreeing with it. They know the genetic mechanism that causes a Quirk in someone's body (the Quirk Factor) and they know a person ordinarily only has one. That doesn't change, whether there are multiple facets to Quirk or not.

The internal logic isn't consistent, because "A Quirk", one Quirk can be any power or combination of powers.

See my point above, maybe it would help you to think of it like gene-expression. The same gene can be expressed at different rates and different ways throughout the body, but that doesn't stop it from being the same gene. Obviously there's nothing as extreme in real life, but this isn't real life, and it makes no sense to expect literal superpowers to conform to it.

So, "I'm Izuku Midoriya and my Quirk is 'Hepta-power' which lets me do seven different things!" is perfectly reasonable in-universe and should not bat an eye so long as he frames it as one quirk and gives it a cute name.

Except it clearly isn't. You not accepting the series on its own terms, doesn't mean those terms aren't coherent.

Edited by LSBK on Jan 20th 2019 at 12:39:05 PM

TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#27092: Jan 20th 2019 at 10:14:43 AM

Well, on other matters...

Since the fifth match has devolved into a outright free-for-all brawl, how do you think it will go now when everyone is forced to make tactics up on the fly like this?

After all, this was the worst case scenario team B wanted to avoid at all costs.

now when it comes down to it, what would be the determining factor of this kind of event?

Ideas?

(Personal opinion: It will come down to whoever takes down the other team's MP first. Team B taking down Deku or Team A taking down Monoma. Whichever happens first, will settle the match.)

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#27093: Jan 20th 2019 at 10:16:44 AM

Random prediction: Monoma manages to copy the Black Whip Quirk and, seeing it in action, helps Deku better understand it.

Though that does prompt the question of how much foreknowledge of a Quirk Monoma needs.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27094: Jan 20th 2019 at 10:19:15 AM

Honestly, I'm just assuming this match is going to be a tie - neither team catches anyone from the other side.

You can handwave it as saying the freak out ate up a lot of time, and Izuku's too shaken to stomp the other side like they were expecting or something.

Either way, I don't expect this to go on for much longer, two chapters at most.

mythbuster Since: Jan, 2010
#27095: Jan 20th 2019 at 11:27:19 AM

Deku does need to tell his mother what's going on. She has no right to stop him from perusing a career as a hero, but he needs to be honest with her about what is coming.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27096: Jan 20th 2019 at 11:37:40 AM

She didn't even try to stop him from being a hero, she just wasn't confident in U.A. being a safe place for him.

Going to another school wouldn't solve that problem because the League of Villains has reasons they'd go after him, specifically, regardless but she doesn't know about those.

Which actually just strengthens the argument to let her know.

Edit: This makes me wonder what All Might told his own family.

Edited by LSBK on Jan 20th 2019 at 1:40:54 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#27097: Jan 20th 2019 at 12:43:49 PM

We don't know anything about Toshinori's family, now that I think about it.

For such a major character, we really don't know that much about him when it comes to anything but his identity as All Might.

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#27098: Jan 20th 2019 at 12:46:50 PM

Well he has given everything to the cause.

I recall he doesn’t have much of a private life.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Druplesnubb Editor of Posts Since: Dec, 2013
Editor of Posts
#27099: Jan 20th 2019 at 2:44:39 PM

My prediction is that Monoma will end up facing Deku and gain the advantage (whether he copies OFA or his current quirks are enough isn't too relevant). But he will be so obsessed with defeating Deku and proving himself that he doesn't notice that the all his teammates are getting captured, winning the game for Class A. Possibly Deky will help his teammates out by a Black Whip or finger cannon that "misses" Monoma, tricking him and that unlike Monoma he's thinking of the bigger picture rathe than his personal ego. To further drive the point home, it will be shown that Class B likely would have won if Monoma had been paying attention to his teammates, making Monoma's obsession thereason that Class B couldn't score evenly with Class A.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#27100: Jan 20th 2019 at 3:13:36 PM

I mean, that idea assumes that Monoma is obsessed with beating Deku, specifically. That's never been a thing. And the idea that Monoma obsession is purely about himself and not his class as whole doesn't mesh either.

Really though, this is an all out melee. I don't think you should be expecting any significant one-on-one fights now.

Edited by LSBK on Jan 20th 2019 at 5:14:13 AM


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