My Hero Academia

Yeah, Avatar wasn't very popular in Japan from what I've heard. I think I heard they didn't even finish dubbing the series.

Well the Fire Nation was basically Imperial Japan & they don’t like being reminded of that.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

My running theory is that the shrouded figures are All For One and the guy he originally took the power stockpiling Quirk from. we've already seen that All For one apparently can sense when the OFA vestiges are acting up, so it seems likely that he's connected.

But we know that Izuku is the 9th holder of the power, and the All For One's younger brother is the first.

All For One and whoever he stole original stockpiling Quirk from being in the count wouldn't make sense.

Edited by LSBK on Dec 30th 2018 at 9:01:54 AM

In this scenario the guy who All Might referred to as the first holder is actually the third (but the first true holder in the sense that the previous two only had half the quirk, which is why they don't fully appear in the visions). It's been long enough that it's a realistic misunderstanding from All Might's side, and we've been explicitly told from the vestiges themselves that something major is missing from our understanding of One For All's origins.

Edited by Druplesnubb on Dec 30th 2018 at 4:08:35 PM

….That doesn't make sense though, since we've actually seen how One For All came to be, and it was exactly as we were told.

One For All, as Quirk, didn't exist until the stockpiling one mixed with One For All's younger brother's Quirk.

Edited by LSBK on Dec 30th 2018 at 9:11:52 AM

That was a flashback narrated by All Might, though.

For reference, my other theory on the missing piece in One For All's origin is that the original All For One gave away his power stealing quirk to his brother and we've been wrong about which of the brothers were evil.

Edited by Druplesnubb on Dec 30th 2018 at 4:12:23 PM

That doesn't make sense either because in the flashback it's made clear, older brother = bad, younger brother = good. And All For One mentioned his younger brother's voice.

And I'm not talking about All Might's narration, I'm talking about what Izuku actually saw. Unless One For All itself is lying about what happened, there's no wiggle room there.

Edited by LSBK on Dec 30th 2018 at 9:15:30 AM

Okay, so that dream went further than I thought. (I'm technically an anime only, but I know the general plot of what happens in all the manga arcs and decided to follow this one since it wasn't very plot-heavy). That still doesn't change anythign about my first theory, though. It's fully possible that All for One has traces of people who held the incomplete version of it (I see no other reason why All For One would detect when the vestiges appear), and it's easy to see how later holders would get things mixed up. If for example Nana sees seven people in her visions she'll naturally conclude that she's the seventh holder. If she's also learned the story of how All For One's brother was the first holder if one For All it's easy to see how the order would get mixed up. This also explains why those two specifically are obscured but no one else is, and also ties their identity into the plot (since I don't see why their identitiees would be hidden unless it was important somehow).

Edited by Druplesnubb on Dec 30th 2018 at 4:43:15 PM

Interesting. Good to know.

It actually does, though.

We don't actually know what All For One was talking about, and it just sort of seems like you're overestimating how hard it would be to keep track of the number of people when it's less than 10. I think the issue here is you talking about there being an "incomplete version" of One For All - there wasn't one. There was the stockpiling Quirk, and the Quirk to pass Quirks on, and when they came together, they made a brand new Quirk, One For All.

I think this is the part that's tripping you up, is the thing. In this scenario All For One's brother was the first holder because One For All didn't exist before him. There is no way for the line up to make sense if that were not the case. There is no scenario in which All For One's brother isn't the first, and yet the exact number of holders is actually what we've been told (and shown) it is.

Except it doesn't actually answer that question though. None of what you said explains why Izuku wouldn't actually be able to see them, it's just a reason for why Horikoshi wouldn't want us to see them. But as far as plot tie ins go, that actually sounds pretty weak to me.

Edited by LSBK on Dec 30th 2018 at 10:15:18 AM

One fanfic I'm reading had the idea that the "vestiges" are a symptom (not the right word but close enough) of the transferece power itself. Like, if All for One took Kirishima's Hardening and gave it to Ojiro, for example, Ojiro could possibly get to see a vestige if Kirishima.

Anywho, if this guy is based off Hellboy (seems likely) any guesses on what his original Quirk (assuming he had one) was?

He transforms his right hand into a massive head-indestructible stone gauntlet.

Or if he’s Jack Cayman then his arm morphs into a chainsaw instead.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

He looks like Jack, but I have seen an interview with hori, where he mentions how much he loves mignola, so I wouldn't be surprised if his quirk is a giant stone fist or something, although its looking like he might be the weird black tendrils

My guess: "Parasyte"-style shapeshifting powers? (Arm favorable and first to go usage in this case.)

Edit:

Second Guess: "Darkness" powers akin of Jackie Estacado?

Edited by TitanJump on Dec 30th 2018 at 6:11:12 PM

Well the black tendrils seem to be his power if only because it's thole only logical reason he'd come out at the same time as this new ability.

Except that it does. The theory is that One For All can sense that part of it passed through two guys before the first true holder, but not register any details about them because this was before it got its recording powers.

Or... The reason those two guys (or girl, since there is a chance that one of them could be female, as a shadow is not enough to gender-identify someone), don't want to show, is because there is something about them that they know will make things either incredibly uncomfortable or awkward that could complicate and ruin any chance between a positive mentor-student relationship between themselves and Deku.

Or they just simply don't acknowledge him as a worthy successor yet, waiting until he has proven his worth to the majority of the other vestiges first. (Like how to unlock the steps of a Skill Tree.) For example: Level 1: Fireball, Unlock, Level 2: Exploding Fireball, Unlock, Level 3: Flamethrower Palms (continuous flames).

He might have to prove his worth to the others first before they decide to step out and tutor him in the way of how their own quirks works for him to use.

Just a theory.

The "recorder theory" sounds nice... if it wasn't for the fact we've seen the first users' memories, therefore this recorder was there from the start. The simple explanation is because the author maybe wants them as surprise (one of them is obviously All for One's bodiguard seen in the dream), the in-universe explanation I can give is that they were old users and, excluding the original one, memories dissipate after a while...

No idea about the quirk, but seems to be actually based off Jack Cayman because, well, he's identical (really, google it)

There isn't an impossible dream, there are only people who give up

I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree. Because what you've just said doesn't make sense as an explanation to me at all.

I really think a lot of this is just you not having the full context because you've admitted to not actually reading the scene (not All Might's narration, but Izuku's vision) and basing your theory on assumptions that just don't follow.

Huh, I didn't think about that, but it probably would fit. Good catch if that's true.

Edited by LSBK on Dec 31st 2018 at 1:23:34 PM

check the chapter, you'll notice one of the two silhouettes matches the bodyguard, I'm surprised you haven't noticed

There isn't an impossible dream, there are only people who give up

I rechecked afterwards. It could be that guy, but I'm not totally sure. Definitely something to keep in mind, though.

New Yearstweets.

Using Kirishima as a mochi mallet is hilarious, but I find myself worrying that his spikiness will ruin the texture of the mochi.

Also, what the heck is Hyper Boar. Did he doodle that left-handed or something?

Edited by danime91 on Jan 2nd 2019 at 9:38:29 AM

This year is the year of the Boar, according to the Eastern Zodiac