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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#25876: Nov 30th 2018 at 9:47:04 AM

Bakugo just established that even if you have a good plan to counter someone, it doesn't really matter if the opponent is just straight up more powerful than you and has a team backing him up.

I highly doubt anyone on the last team has a counter for Of A, because it is established as the most powerful quirk. Even against Gentle, Deku was able to beat him desptie the former bringing out all of the stops.

The only way Class B beats Deku is if they take advantage of his savior complex and deliberately force him to save one of his teammates and leave him vulnerable, because they aren't going to beat him one on one.

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#25877: Nov 30th 2018 at 9:48:48 AM

Something I've thought off and on through this arc, but does it seem like Class B has, overall, been better at strategy where Class A has been better at tactics?
I feel like this is the point. Class B is strong but has little to no real combat experience. Note that the only two members of their class who saw any serious action during the training camp attack had some of the best showings.

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#25878: Nov 30th 2018 at 10:00:21 AM

[up][up] Weok, we’ll see what happens. Personally, I think you’re taking things for granted - I personally doubt this is going to be an easy fight.

In any case, I do agree that the strategy you mentioned is their best bet.

Besides, as we mentioned, Tokage’s plan had a key flaw. Monoma, for all his bluster, might have a better grasp on Deku.

Edited by KarkatTheDalek on Nov 30th 2018 at 1:01:26 PM

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TitanJump Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Singularity
#25879: Nov 30th 2018 at 10:00:52 AM

[up][up][up] The problem with that argument was that her plan was using outdated information as its dominant support pillar.

That is what sank that battleship for Class B this round, not just raw power and the back-up team.

That aside, Deku actually used strategy to beat Gentle, not just raw force. The only raw force he delivered was the finisher once he actually caught up with him. Otherwise, he used his brain just fine, especially since he got a taste at the very start of the fight of what would have happened if he just brute-forced it.

That aside though, One for All isn't invincible, of the opponent can get around the need to match it in power, then I suspect that even the shot of a gun can kill the current host of it with a lucky shot to the torso. Or being assaulted by mental-oriented quirks...or sneak attacks...or semantic superpowers...or etc.

Midoriya is not bulletproof after all...

Edited by TitanJump on Nov 30th 2018 at 7:01:39 PM

Lyendith Since: Mar, 2011
#25880: Nov 30th 2018 at 10:04:52 AM

I feel like the art was the strongest it's been in a while in this chap. Hori must have had fun drawing it. tongue

Edited by Lyendith on Nov 30th 2018 at 7:05:03 PM

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#25881: Nov 30th 2018 at 10:20:06 AM

[up][up][up] How am I taking things for granted when I'm merely pointing out facts? Why do you think anyone else in Class B has any counter to Of A, because that sounds pretty bad tbh.

If they can't counter Bakugo's Quirk, they sure as hell shouldn't be able to counter Deku's quirk.

[up][up] Part of Setsuna's plan was also avoiding a fight with Bakugo, because she knew that nobody on her team had a chance at beating him in a straight up fight. The reason they lost is as much because of Setsuna's lack of a backup plan and because Bakugo was just straight up more powerful than her entire team along with the fact his team was backing him up.

I do agree on Deku vs. Gentle though, Deku did have to use his head a little bit as much as it was simply overpowering his opponent.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Nov 30th 2018 at 1:24:13 PM

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#25882: Nov 30th 2018 at 10:48:38 AM

[up] You're acting like all of Class B are the same person with the same capabilities. There are plenty of ways to stop, or at least hinder Of A. Mental-based quirk like Shinsou's, for one. Or debilitating types like Stain's. We still have no idea what three of the class B kids are capable of.

Edited by TrueShadow1 on Nov 30th 2018 at 10:50:27 AM

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#25883: Nov 30th 2018 at 10:53:32 AM

I'm saying it's unlikely, not that it's impossible. Like you said, Shinsou himself is already a good counter on his own, so I can't see anyone else from Class B also having something to counter Deku.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25884: Nov 30th 2018 at 11:07:41 AM

The problem with Setsuna is that she's no good in direct combat. But she fails to show any other skills that really make up for it. It would be mostly forgivable - if it weren't for the fact that she was a recommended student.

I mentioned that before, this really comes off to me like you just completely ignoring the actual merits of her Quirk. And also ignoring that her plan was very sound, if not for one variable she had no way of knowing was different. Seriously, they had no way of seeing this coming.

But anyway, if I were to rank the recommended students' performance, Honenuki definitely comes out looking the best.

Though it's a controversial thing, I'd still say Momo contributed the most to her team, even if they still lost for other reasons.

I've already gone over my thoughts on Setsuna.

Which really just leaves Shoto, ironically, contributing the least as far as his team goes.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#25885: Nov 30th 2018 at 11:11:08 AM

[up] No way of seeing this coming beyond actually interacting with Class A. That said, it is uncommon in Japanese high schools for different classes to mingle regularly, isn't it?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25886: Nov 30th 2018 at 11:13:21 AM

The two classes clearly don't interact that much, but I don't think casual interactions would actually let them know that Bakugo has changed in the ways he has that tore their plan apart.

It's a real shame when their entire plan seem based on "we cannot beat Bakugo in a head-on fight".

Edited by LSBK on Nov 30th 2018 at 1:14:40 PM

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#25887: Nov 30th 2018 at 11:23:51 AM

I'd say Momo and Setsuna are about on par of being useless, they had sound plans that were just undone by outside circumstances and had no backup to speak of.

Hokuneki definitely had the best showing, even if it he didn't actually win for his team.

And yea agree, Todoroki had among the worst performances in the whole thing, hilariously.

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#25888: Nov 30th 2018 at 11:28:17 AM

Actually Momo & Tokoyami were pretty much carrying their team.

Aoyama & Toru didn't contribute much in the end.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#25889: Nov 30th 2018 at 11:30:41 AM

I kind of get the feeling Deku is about to get a new power up. Any time the main character has an encounter with his predecessors, it's always some personal revelation that allows him to use more of his power.

He'll probably be able to use Full Cowl at 50% without hurting himself and become a straight up Lightning Bruiser.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25890: Nov 30th 2018 at 11:37:47 AM

But, yeah, it's safe to assume that the final round isn't going to end up this one-sided, and it is noticeable it was the round Bakugo was in that turned out like this. And although he had assists, he still did most of the actual work himself.

Like, I think it works, but I get being annoyed by it.

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#25891: Nov 30th 2018 at 11:53:59 AM

Even so, despite this massive pain train that rammed Class-B's team like a bulldozer, they did manage to capture and neutralize the new Bakugo once in the whole ordeal.

Sure, he got bailed out by Sugarman seconds later but still... They did manage to neutralize him for a few seconds.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#25892: Nov 30th 2018 at 12:09:46 PM

[up][up] I honestly wouldn't mind as much if they didn't hype up Setsuna beforehand, because I now know it was done not because of any merit on her part, but to just to show off how much better Bakugo is than her.

And I really hate meaningless hype like that; because Setsuna had no real chances to show off her competence before losing to Bakugo.

Compare her with Urakawa, sure she also was hopelessly outmatched, but she stood her ground and actually made him work for the win, which makes his statement about her not being fragile actually hold some weight.

I get that seeing how Bakugo has grown as a person is important, but I don't think it needed to come at the expense of making Class B look really bad. At the very least, I would have liked for Bakugo to just take out just Tokage herself instead of 3/4ths of the team.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Nov 30th 2018 at 3:14:48 PM

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25893: Nov 30th 2018 at 12:11:56 PM

I guess I get that, even though I don't agree with this making Class B look bad.

Really though, I expected something like this (though not as far as he actually went with it) because Vlad and Monoma were being such cocky dicks before the round started, the conclusion was obviously going to shut them up hard.

Is that cheap? Kind of, yeah. But it still looked cool.

Edited by LSBK on Nov 30th 2018 at 2:17:45 PM

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#25894: Nov 30th 2018 at 12:20:00 PM

I say it makes them look bad because they can't handle one person with a 4-man team. I know Bakugo is great and all, but even Todoroki's match showed that his quirk isn't unbeatable. So it feels kind unbelievable that Bakugo is just that much more superior to the opposing team. It makes me think less "Oh wow, Bakugo is so strong" and more "Class B can't handle ONE person with 4 people?"

Sure, he had help, but almost everyone in-universe makes it clear that Bakugo was the one carrying the team on his back.

I kind of expected Class A to win, I just didn't expect it to be so one-sided. I guess it's good things didn't drag, which I am grateful for, but at the same time. The matches before were definitely more balanced with both sides getting to show off their stuff.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25895: Nov 30th 2018 at 12:24:03 PM

I said this before, but as a fighter I've always had the impression Bakugo really is supposed to be that much better than all of them.

Certainly better than Todoroki, and a lot of Izuku's issues as a fighter are things that Bakguo already excels at. That's why he tries to get better by thinking about how Bakugo does things.

So him being able to overwhelm four people (with assistance) doesn't strike me as surprising at all. Like, that has already before.

Edit: And to be clear, I'm making a distinction between actual fire power, and actual fighting prowess.

Edited by LSBK on Nov 30th 2018 at 2:27:28 PM

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#25896: Nov 30th 2018 at 12:31:09 PM

And that's why I felt like trying to build up Bakugo by mentioning Setsuna is a recommended student was ultimately pointless. We already know Bakugo is an above average fighter, so what was the point of feeding him someone who hadn't established themselves yet?

I want to be clear and say that Bakugo being a great fighter isn't my problem, I've long accepted that. It's the build up that Class B got that ultimately amounted to nothing here that bothers me. If they had just lost with no build up, that would be the end of it. But to pretend as if they had a chance only to reveal "No, they didn't" just feels unneeded.

But other than that, I do like seeing how Bakugo's actions continue to speak louder than his words, even his words are still pretty bad.

I do think Match 5 will have Class A struggle a bit though because I can see Monoma being absolutely desperate.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25897: Nov 30th 2018 at 12:35:04 PM

Well, in my case it might help that I haven't really been putting that much stock in the whole recommended student thing.

It's a nice trivia point, but I haven't been taking that fact alone to say much about the four in question.

Edited by LSBK on Nov 30th 2018 at 2:36:21 PM

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#25898: Nov 30th 2018 at 12:39:29 PM

If it ultimately doesn't mean anything, why mention it at all?

[down] Yea basically. The first recommended student introduced was Todoroki, and Momo at least is academically intelligent enough to be considered as such. And Hokuneki had a pretty showing in his match, which adds to the credibility of a recommended student.

So yea, it really does kind of stick out that Setsuna didn't do a damn thing that would consider her a recommended student.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Nov 30th 2018 at 3:41:48 PM

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#25899: Nov 30th 2018 at 12:39:52 PM

I mean, when the first person you introduce with that moniker is Todoroki, that’s going to create some impressions. Inasa was also on the shortlist and was indeed very strong, and while Momo doesn’t have that sheer power, she does have intelligence and a very versatile Quirk. In this arc, Honezuki was pretty much MVP of his team.

So I can see why people would put a lot of stock in the title of “recommended student”.

Edited by KarkatTheDalek on Nov 30th 2018 at 3:42:46 PM

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25900: Nov 30th 2018 at 12:41:42 PM

[up][up]I've just been thinking "It's a thing in real elite Japanese schools, so it's a thing here".

It's a bit of, realism might not be the right word, but you know what I mean.

I think all four of them are supposed to be talented. But that doesn't mean they're necessarily more talented than any of the others. We really don't know how hard or small the recommended student pool was, after all.

Edited by LSBK on Nov 30th 2018 at 2:44:12 PM


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