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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#25776: Nov 29th 2018 at 10:24:46 PM

Which is honestly something I don't really like, because it almost feels like Bakugou's being rewarded for his shitty behavior. Yes, he's an asshole and a bully and a terrible person who tells other children to kill themselves and that he's going to murder them, but that dickishness is what drives him to excel and it makes him flat-out stronger and better and smarter than everyone, even the Chosen One. So why not be a self-serving asshole who doesn't care about anyone but yourself, when it'll make you better than everyone?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25777: Nov 29th 2018 at 10:25:38 PM

I think we're supposed to think in general all of the first years, Class A and B, are really good by U.A.s standards. Which is why you have them all taking the provisional license exam during their first year, and why all of them except Bakugo and Todoroki pass, with those two failing for personal reasons.

Then, Bakugo, Todoroki, and Izuku are supposed to be even better than that.

It's pretty standard "the main characters year is way more talented than any previous year" thing that happens all the time in Shonen.

Edited by LSBK on Nov 29th 2018 at 12:27:41 PM

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#25778: Nov 29th 2018 at 10:26:48 PM

Bakugou has literally never been literal about telling people to die except the time he told Deku to kill himself in Middle School.

He says Die to throwing baseballs and brushing his teeth.

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#25779: Nov 29th 2018 at 10:29:16 PM

I mean, that's still a troubling mentality to have.

And he still thinks "LORD EXPLOSION MURDER KILL" is an acceptable Hero name.

And he still told Izuku to kill himself. This is someone he's known practically since his infancy.

Edited by SonOfSharknado on Nov 29th 2018 at 1:29:35 PM

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#25780: Nov 29th 2018 at 10:30:33 PM

It's pretty safe to assume that Bakugo's issues were more with his personality and attitude than combat prowess, because yea, he's always been portrayed as the absolute best of the class in terms of fighting, arguably even above Midoriya and Todoroki.

So, I do get the point of this battle is to show off that he's grown in personality and attitude because old Bakugo would have never given a shit about his teammates to help them and have them help him.

I just wish it wasn't a curb stomp and that Class B got to show off something lol.

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#25781: Nov 29th 2018 at 10:32:52 PM

Bakugou just spouting words is no different than a Chuunis obsession with Darkness or Death since Chuunis love both of those thing.

Bakugou has never gotten that low since Middle School. Even his lackeys knew that was the worst thing hes ever said to Deku at that moment. He's never been that bad before or after.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Nov 29th 2018 at 10:33:53 AM

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#25782: Nov 29th 2018 at 10:34:25 PM

[up][up][up] That name is less silly in Japanese, I think. Albeit still not appropriate, but I don't think he's been arguing for it or anything.

There is a point to be made about him never having faced consequences for the whole "kill yourself" thing, though I'm don't think U.A. can discipline him for something he said in middle school.

Edited by KarkatTheDalek on Nov 29th 2018 at 1:37:32 PM

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25783: Nov 29th 2018 at 10:37:18 PM

[up][up][up]I do think that's a thing people don't get. I've been seeing complaints of "even villains defend their allies so how is that growth?" but the point is it's growth considering where Bakugo started.

Which doesn't say good things about where Bakugo started, but it's not supposed to. He was an awful little shit, and in a lot of ways still is.

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#25784: Nov 29th 2018 at 10:38:59 PM

And villains who look out for each other says they're comrades just as it does heroes in this setting.

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#25785: Nov 29th 2018 at 10:39:14 PM

I think an important thing to show would be while his classmates are used to him and generally aren't intimidated by his displays, strangers - that is to say, the people who they will be interacting with on a regular basis as heroes - don't have that luxury. Showing how he alienates people would be a good step forward, I think.

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#25786: Nov 29th 2018 at 10:39:49 PM

[up][up] One of my big, big issues with Bakugo is his utter lack of guilt. He's not 'just' a dick, he was flat out abusive and wantonly violent.

Edited by Lightysnake on Nov 29th 2018 at 10:40:13 AM

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25787: Nov 29th 2018 at 10:43:27 PM

Befitting the Vegeta comparison, I feel like an actual apology is something that happens at or near the series' end.

Edited by LSBK on Nov 29th 2018 at 12:43:49 PM

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#25788: Nov 29th 2018 at 10:44:16 PM

I think what rubs people the wrong way is that he's still portrayed as highly competent despite his attitude. Yea, his attitude was awful but it still doesn't change that he's better than a lot of people with much better attitudes than him.

It's like two guys going on a job interview; a morally upstanding guy who doesn't have many credentials for the job, and a racist bigot who has all of the qualifications for it. Yea, the latter guy is more qualified, but he's an awful person, so it rubs you the wrong way to see him succeed despite his attitude.

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#25789: Nov 29th 2018 at 10:45:41 PM

[up][up] I'm willing to wait if that's the case. But I hope it does come (and I hope that Deku doesn't try to brush it off and say that Bakugo made him stronger, or if he does, Bakugo rebukes him and tells him that that doesn't make it okay).

Edited by KarkatTheDalek on Nov 29th 2018 at 1:46:00 PM

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25790: Nov 29th 2018 at 10:47:13 PM

[up][up]That's fair, but I also like it. Bakugo's attitude does get in the way of him achieving his goals, but it doesn't actually make him shittier at what he does, and I like that.

It feels less cheap to me. Endeavor is (or was) the same way, and I appreciated it with him too.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#25791: Nov 29th 2018 at 10:47:41 PM

Personally I think the nadir was him swinging his fist into Deku's face and Recovery Girl just clucking about "Oh, goodness they don't get on well, do they" as opposed to teachers being shocked that Bakugo just unjustifiably smashed his fist into a fellow student, like how they turned a blind eye to Bakugo assaulting Deku on day one.

[up] Endeavor's crimes are much worse, but he, at least has shown the capacity for introspection and to admit "everything I did was royally fucked up and I want to atone for it."

Edited by Lightysnake on Nov 29th 2018 at 10:48:22 AM

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#25792: Nov 29th 2018 at 10:49:21 PM

[up][up] Endeavor feels guilt, though - he has demonstrably recognized that what he did was wrong. Bakugo...well, we'll see where he goes from here, I guess.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25793: Nov 29th 2018 at 10:51:30 PM

I mean, yes, Endeavor is different because his situation was different. I wasn't saying they were exactly the same, just noting one thing they have in common that I appreciate.

Endeavor changing for the better, while good, doesn't actually have anything to do with what I was commenting on.

Edited by LSBK on Nov 29th 2018 at 12:52:17 PM

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#25794: Nov 29th 2018 at 10:52:58 PM

See Endeavor is funny because unlike Bakugo, his attitude actually does have a a negative effect on the people around him and it's actively hindered him overall. And unlike Bakugo, Endeavor has actually shown enough introspection to realize that he's been an awful person and how he's been treating people has been awful and is actively trying to change.

But yea, biggest caveat is that people in-universe don't really seem to see Bakugo's attitude as bad. Hell, even Deku admires him even after being treated like shit by him for so many years lol.

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OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#25795: Nov 29th 2018 at 10:54:54 PM

And it took years of abusing his family and seeing everything he tried go up in smoke to realize he fucked up and even the he's still callous on occassion as he realized only afterwards he said the wrong thing to Natsu.

[up] Endeavor actually is a dick to the public too. But thats also how he earned fans. Like the Meme Kid.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Nov 29th 2018 at 10:55:51 AM

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25796: Nov 29th 2018 at 10:55:34 PM

[up][up]I think it's less they don't see it as bad, and more it never got to the point of real, demonstrable harm, unlike with Endeavor.

Bakugo never got that bad, and he's not going to get that bad. So at this point just writing him off as really obnoxious and bombastic mostly makes sense.

Edited by LSBK on Nov 29th 2018 at 12:56:17 PM

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#25797: Nov 29th 2018 at 10:59:13 PM

Is the chapter out or are we going over spoilers we the moment?

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#25798: Nov 29th 2018 at 10:59:24 PM

I mean, can you really call his treatment of Deku for most of the series as "not that bad"?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25799: Nov 29th 2018 at 11:01:40 PM

I didn't say it wasn't "that bad", I said fortunately nothing really bad came of it. It easily could have though, and he should apologize and reflect on how shitty he was to him.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#25800: Nov 29th 2018 at 11:04:15 PM

Deku had genuine issues because of Bakugo. That's pretty damn bad.

Like, again, when he saw Deku had a quirk, Bakugo's first reaction was to charge him, screaming hysterically with his own quirk activated. This is the stuff that should by rights get him drummed out of a hero school


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