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IniuriaTalis Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Love, football, the arts, the occasional pint
#25051: Nov 2nd 2018 at 7:55:11 PM

Monoma knew about Komori's throat mushroom move, so Kendo must've too.

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JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
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#25052: Nov 2nd 2018 at 7:55:41 PM

The thing is, you can't really put that on her as a failure on her part because it's something that's completely out of her control. If there was an indication that she could've learned about the mushroom thing ahead of time, yeah, you could blame her for it, but as it stands, you can only make plans based on what information you actually have. There's a difference between "the plan itself was solid, but failed due to an element that we couldn't possibly have known about" and "the plan itself was flawed." It didn't work, but based on the information she had she made the best decisions she could've.

If anybody's to blame, it's Tokoyami for not K Oing the mushroom girl and giving her a chance to turn things around. Or Aoyama for basically contributing nothing of value to the battle.

As for the "I don't feel like I won" thing, I took that as referring to Kendo's reaction specifically; her team won, but she personally didn't contribute nearly as much to her team as Momo did to hers. She won, but feels like her teammates accomplished much more than she did.

Edited by JapaneseTeeth on Nov 2nd 2018 at 9:57:50 AM

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25053: Nov 2nd 2018 at 7:55:50 PM

[up]Basically this.

Edited by LSBK on Nov 2nd 2018 at 9:56:24 AM

IniuriaTalis Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Love, football, the arts, the occasional pint
#25054: Nov 2nd 2018 at 7:57:50 PM

The only thing that makes that ring hollow for me is that Momo started the match by bragging that she has plans for every possible circumstance, only to be proven wrong because she apparently completely failed to take one opponent's Quirk into account.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#25055: Nov 2nd 2018 at 7:59:21 PM

As for the "I don't feel like I won" thing, I took that as referring to Kendo's reaction specifically; her team won, but she personally didn't contribute nearly as much to her team as Momo did to hers. She won, but feels like her teammates accomplished much more than she did.

This. Exactly this.

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JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
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#25056: Nov 2nd 2018 at 8:00:25 PM

[up][up]That's true, but again, there's a difference between "knowing their quirk and failing to account for it" and "not knowing what their quirk is capable of and failing to account for that unknown."

I mean, I guess you could argue that she should've assumed that they were going to hold back some of their abilities, but unless you know what those abilities are that wouldn't really help her much other than making her paranoid.

I'd tack an unspoken "for every reasonable circumstance" onto it. That is, she's not literally claiming to have planned for any possibility, but that she's planned for as many circumstances as possible given the info she has.

Edited by JapaneseTeeth on Nov 2nd 2018 at 10:08:37 AM

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#25057: Nov 2nd 2018 at 8:00:35 PM

[up][up][up] I think that might have been meant as a joke.

How much do each Class know about the other's Quirks, anyway?

Edited by KarkatTheDalek on Nov 2nd 2018 at 11:01:01 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#25058: Nov 2nd 2018 at 8:01:56 PM

What I find sad is fact of the matter is the whole fight was really gimped by the short chapters recently.

Hell maybe Aoyama & Tooru could have had a little moment with an extra page or two.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25059: Nov 2nd 2018 at 8:02:11 PM

Out of curiosity, what would a countermeasure to the lung mushrooms even be. Besides aforementioned "knock her out before she can do it".

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#25060: Nov 2nd 2018 at 8:02:35 PM

Is it safe to spray ethanol directly down your throat?

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IniuriaTalis Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Love, football, the arts, the occasional pint
#25061: Nov 2nd 2018 at 8:02:59 PM

[up][up][up][up]I'd actually say that's an advantage B has over A. Since A is so famous, their quirks are more well-known and easier to get intel on.

[up][up]Surgical masks to keep themselves from inhaling spores.

[up]That's called getting drunk. tongue

Edited by IniuriaTalis on Nov 2nd 2018 at 11:04:45 AM

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JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
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#25062: Nov 2nd 2018 at 8:06:43 PM

Yeah, making a mask to block it out would be the obvious solution. Problem is that unless you're aware of that ability beforehand, it's too late to counter once it's hit you.

And yeah, I'm guessing that Class B probably has an advantage over Class A in two respects:

1. Class A has been in the spotlight so much more, and as such their quirks are going to be more well-documented.

2. Class B cares more about the inter-class rivalry than Class A does, so they'd be more likely to have actively researched class A's quirks in case something like this comes up.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25063: Nov 2nd 2018 at 8:06:46 PM

I've been working under the assumption they each have a basic understanding of what the others can do, but they aren't aware of the specifics of how the others have improved or any new moves. And obviously each class is more aware of certain students than opposing class than others.

Each match so far has something to support that interpretation. In Round 2 alone you had Tokoyami knowing that Kuroiro could go into black things, but not that he learned to actually control them, and you also had Tokoyami surprising them with the fact that he learned to fly.

Edited by LSBK on Nov 2nd 2018 at 10:09:34 AM

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#25064: Nov 2nd 2018 at 8:10:03 PM

Speaking of which, how much does the public know about the individual members of Class 1-A? Like, Bakugo is certainly well known by this point, and I'm pretty sure that Todoroki is too, but what about everyone else?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#25065: Nov 2nd 2018 at 8:12:26 PM

Momo failed, objectively. Her performance was fine all things considered, but nothing worthy of the praise the story tried to push on her at repeated points. It was just pathetic to try and sell her as one step ahead and a spiritual victor with how little she did.

Not to mention, have her plan was to sacrifice herself to restrain Kendo. That part just outright failed to have any impact, which makes it a pretty crappy plan.

I don't even buy the ibterpretation that Kendo feels she failed the team. Not only did she knock out Momo as planned, she even reacued Manga despite Momo's attempt to prevent that.

If Kendo's holding herself to an uneeasonable standard - fine, it still doesn't say anything good about Momo which is what the story tries to present it as.

Edited by Saiga on Nov 3rd 2018 at 1:13:04 AM

IniuriaTalis Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: Love, football, the arts, the occasional pint
#25066: Nov 2nd 2018 at 8:12:30 PM

[up][up]Iida is the little brother of Ingenium, so I'm sure he's got eyes on him. Everyone who made it to the final round of the Sports Festival is surely known. Momo and Kendo are well known from those ads they did. Dunno about the rest, but Midoriya doesn't seem famous.

Edited by IniuriaTalis on Nov 2nd 2018 at 11:13:00 AM

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#25067: Nov 2nd 2018 at 8:14:29 PM

[up][up] And pretty much everyone has made it clear that they disagree with you on those points.

I don't think anyone will be changing anyone's mind - why don't we move on?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25068: Nov 2nd 2018 at 8:14:46 PM

Going with the whole "this is training, but should be treated like it's real" aspect, though, it's probably actually better that they don't know the ends and outs of each others Quirks. They won't have the luxury of that kind of information against real villains.

As for how famous they are, I imagine the further they got in the Sports Festival the more well known they are, but even that only takes them so far. People don't keep talking about things like that forever.

JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
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#25069: Nov 2nd 2018 at 8:16:08 PM

Hard to say, since we don't know exactly how much of their activities have been publicized. Bakugo and Todoroki obviously get lots of press due to the sports festival and being Endeavor's son, but outside of that I'd think that their involvement in most of the other incidents would be kept under wraps:

1. The students involvement with Stain was deliberately covered up.

2. The camp thing happened far away from UA, and it's likely that the school wouldn't release many details of what happened. Ditto the Bakugo rescue arc.

3. Everything involving Overhaul was an official police action, so the details of that probably weren't publicized either.

4. Deku's fight with Gentle was, again, deliberately kept out of the media.

All told, outside of the sports festival, none of the kids have really been in the spotlight. I'm sure there's info out there, but I'm guessing that other stuff probably overshadows them for the most part.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25070: Nov 2nd 2018 at 8:19:09 PM

Bakugo has fame as being the kid from the sludge incident. A year later and that's still something people talk about, also probably now propped up from him winning the Sports Festival and getting kidnapped.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25071: Nov 2nd 2018 at 8:29:56 PM

Also, maybe we've moved past this but if we're talking about mistakes Tokoyami made during the match, it seemed like it was his fault Aoyama got captured in the first place.

And I really don't see much an argument can be made for Toru contributing more than Aoyama did. They both really only got to do one thing, and they were both about equally effective.

Edited by LSBK on Nov 2nd 2018 at 10:32:04 AM

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#25072: Nov 2nd 2018 at 8:31:30 PM

Well, I...did kind of forget what he did. tongue

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#25073: Nov 2nd 2018 at 9:09:25 PM

One last note, I think there's a difference between the characters personal frustrations, and objectively understanding situations.

I've always had the impression that they all implicitly understand what failure during the real thing means. That doesn't mean they can't have other concerns or personal standards beyond that.

Edited by LSBK on Nov 2nd 2018 at 11:09:57 AM

SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#25074: Nov 2nd 2018 at 9:42:28 PM

Ive caught up with Vigilantes and I have a single bone to pick with the story- Quirk regulation starting in America.

No.

We are too damn proud of our right to bear arms for any sort of government to tell us to outright not use our God-given superpowers. Like, crack down on destructive use if you want, maybe harsh fines for vigilantes if they end up making things worse (some states have Good Samaritan Laws where that won't happen, but that can potentially be written out), but I know for a fact that there'll be some kind of NQA (National Quirk Asociation) lobbying the government against that sort of thing.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#25075: Nov 2nd 2018 at 9:44:58 PM

That's a good point.

America is not Japan. It's hard to believe they'd be able to curb things the way Japan did.

Hell, the fundamental difference between Japan and America is a big part of why how this series treats it's heroes is so different from how the West has been treating their heroes for years.

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