Complaining: Executive Meddling

"Keep it as is" seems to be winning, with "clean up the description and examples" in second place.

The latter is already partially done by someone who didn't act on consensus, so I don't know.

Seems like "Keep it as is" is the current winner.

Not that it technically matters since somebody had already altered the description to be less like a Take That! to executives without the consensus of this thread.

(I think we should remove the image as well).

We might be able to find an image of an actual Executive Meddling in some works based around production like say Bakuman, or Gekkan Shoujo Nozaki Kun.

But that is something for an image picking thread.

edited 18th Jan '15 9:21:41 AM by Memers

Okay, I think it's safe to close the crowner.

Anyway, we might need to do a cleanup in order for certain examples to be less complainy anyway (due to the {and incorrect} mindset of "executives bad, creators good" that seems to be popular amongst fellow tropers).

Why is it 'safe' the top two are tied at 6.

edited 28th Jan '15 12:11:21 PM by Memers

Because as soon as I had posted, more votes had been added.

Much to my surprise, of course.

I now think we need to wait until the votings have stabilized until we reach a consensus.

I voted cleanup, but we shouldn't remove all negativity just because it's negative. Saying "This change is considered to have affected the show badly" is negative, but shouldn't be removed as long as it's a clear audience reaction and not a random troper acting without consensus.

Let me be more clear on what I meant.

When I said "remove negativity", I really meant "alter the examples that are complaining so that they're no longer are".

I blame my word choice for this misunderstanding.

edited 28th Jan '15 4:09:51 PM by KarjamP

So the "clean up examples and descriptions" is at the top as I'm posting this.

We must wait for the votings to become stable in order to call that a consensus (especially since it's at 2:1 - one downvote and it won't no longer have the minimum requirement for a consensus).

Do we have consensus that "Cleanup the description and examples" is the best way to go for this trope?

I think we need a definition of "Clean up the description" before I can call this crowner.

The "Cleanup description" part was already done, Septimus Heap. Without consensus.

We'd just now need to cleanup the examples.

ain't 29 okays and 9 nays for cleaning up description and examples consensus enough for you?

edited 27th Mar '15 6:41:13 PM by DAN004

I meant the fixing of the description was already done before enough consensus was reached to fix it.

In fact, I think it was done before the crowner even started.

edited 28th Mar '15 5:41:28 AM by KarjamP

Should we still try and clean up the examples to clean up the complaining? The first part of the winning votes, that is, to "change the description so that it's less complainy", was done by someone without any consent within this board, so we don't have to worry about doing that.

We don't have to remove the examples outright, as many of them are still technically examples. We just need to alter them to remove their complain-y tone. We might also need to do something about the page picture... (I might start a Image Pickin' thread in the near future).

FWIW, "meddling" is by no stretch of the imagination a positive word. So that word being present in the title alone makes this trope ripe for complaining. Not sure if we can change it, though,

The best we can do is rename the trope and turn the old name into the redirect. Can't think up any names at the moment...

Looking at the crowner, looks like it's a good time to finally call this one after almost a year. Will go ahead and give the mods a holler.

This crowner isn't going to be called until we have some kind of definition of "clean up". These vague crowner options create a mass of problems.

Yeah, figures. Hmmm...

Anyone have any ideas? Should there be standards in place, or...?

edited 13th Dec '15 3:11:06 PM by Berrenta

Maybe it should be limited to Word of God examples only?

1. Ensure all examples are written in a neutral tone.
2. Remove/replace the quote because it's a bit too much of a Take That!.
3. Cut down on the description. Like a lot. It's huge and a good chunk of it is probably unnecessary to have.

edited 13th Dec '15 9:32:40 PM by Karxrida

Calling this for clean up as per Karxrida's plan.

Made a sandbox. Going to trim down the description first.

EDIT: Killed two paragraphs (and a couple potholes) that didn't seem necessary and added a big bolded "Tropes Are Not Bad" disclaimer at the bottom.

edited 1st Jan '16 10:40:53 PM by Karxrida