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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#301: Jun 1st 2016 at 4:59:57 AM

How well does Juppé do in general election polls? Better than Sarkozy, I assume?

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#302: Jun 1st 2016 at 5:03:40 AM

Why is that old crust still around? Is every french politician a Long Runner? If I open Giscard's tomb, will he be run—WAIT HE'S STILL ALIVE?!

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#303: Jun 1st 2016 at 5:11:13 AM

It does seem like a lot of 90s political figures around the world are trying to make a comeback these days, doesn't it?

Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#304: Jun 1st 2016 at 5:15:37 AM

Well, the far left suffers from chronic underrepresenation in the media...

Not right now. The most prominent opposing syndicate is the CGT, which has always had extremely strong ties with the Communist Party, when it wasn't directly one of its branches, and their leader is absolutely everywhere these days.

Far-left suffers from the inability of its members to agree with a leader whose ideas slightly differ of your own even though this disagreement kills both of your chances to do anything. Hence the four, five or six different parties with ideas that are largely overlapping. I am pretty sure that there are as many differences between Jean-Luc Mélenchon ("right-wing of the far-left") and Nathalie Arthaud ("far-left of the far-left") than there are between Alain Juppé and Christian Estrosi, who both are members of Les Républicains, or between Manuel Valls and Benoît Hamon who both belong to the PS.

How well does Juppé do in general election polls? Better than Sarkozy, I assume?

In the first round, Juppé is at 35%, while Sarkozy is at 21%, against the same opponents. Mostly because Juppé can siphon out some left-wing voters who are just that tired of Hollande, but the same people would never in hell vote for Sarkozy (talking from personal experience here).

Why is that old crust still around? Is every french politician a Long Runner?

Well, on this picture you can see the signature of the Accords de Grenelle in May 1968. It includes two future Presidents of France, one from 1969 to 1974, the other from 1995 to 2007.

Just to give you an idea.

edited 1st Jun '16 5:23:05 AM by Julep

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#305: Jun 1st 2016 at 5:58:27 AM

Point being, is the difference between Sarkozy and Juppé likely to be the deciding factor in whether or not Le Pen can win?

Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#306: Jun 1st 2016 at 6:18:39 AM

Juppé is far, far less likely to lose to Le Pen than Sarkozy is, so yes, it is a factor, but I can't say if it is THE factor. Le Pen might win against Sarkozy (...or Hollande), but she is almost guaranteed to lose against Juppé who should be able to pull a proper Chirac 2002 in the 2nd round. Sarkozy will never gather a significant amount of left-wing voters on his name

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#307: Jun 1st 2016 at 6:27:47 AM

Yeah, in the case of a Sarkozy-Le Pen second turn, Sarkozy is more dangerous than Le Pen because unlike her, he'll have the deputies and senators to do what he wants.

In a Juppé-Le Pen second turn, Juppé will clearly be elected, though with probably less of a landslide than Chirac did.

Either way, unless the actual left manages to unite and get a particularly charismatic candidate, we'll see a new April 21st and will have to choose between right and far-right again.

edited 1st Jun '16 6:47:11 AM by Medinoc

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#308: Jun 1st 2016 at 7:20:34 AM

Chirac had such a likeable scamp image.

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Zarastro Since: Sep, 2010
#309: Jun 1st 2016 at 7:47:56 AM

I don't want to jinx it, but France reminds me a lot of the UK before Thatcher came around... .

Khudzlin Since: Nov, 2013
#310: Jun 1st 2016 at 8:00:57 AM

[up] I'm sure we'll find proper substitutes for the miners. Also, I agree wholeheartedly with Julep that almost no one on the left will vote for Sarkozy against anyone (also speaking from a personal perspective).

Quag15 Since: Mar, 2012
#311: Jun 1st 2016 at 9:07:47 AM

[up][up]I also had that thought, though I wonder if Valls already has a bit of Thatcherism in his veins...

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#312: Jun 1st 2016 at 9:09:49 AM

Why is he PS at all?

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#313: Jun 1st 2016 at 11:06:45 AM

It's not like you have to be a socialist to be in the Parti Socialiste.

...I could actually keep a straight face while I typed that and for about two seconds after that. I must be getting jaded.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#314: Jun 1st 2016 at 11:09:10 AM

I guess itl's like fucking "New Labour". What a shitshow that was.

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Quag15 Since: Mar, 2012
#315: Jun 1st 2016 at 12:04:19 PM

Manuel Valls is a bit of a Blairite (or at least was so in his early years), so...

edited 1st Jun '16 12:04:25 PM by Quag15

Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#316: Jun 1st 2016 at 1:34:30 PM

I'd say that nowadays, if you don't plan on kicking all migrants out or making gay marriage illegal again, then you are a socialist. Everything else seems really secondary.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#317: Jun 1st 2016 at 1:54:41 PM

That's being liberal, not socialist.

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Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#318: Jun 2nd 2016 at 2:10:42 PM

Today, the strikes combined with the awful weather (we're having floods in some places) to make transportation a total shitstorm.

And the strikes will probably intensify tomorrow since the latest draft of the El Khomri law removes the 35-hour work week...

Oh and on a side note, Another of Hollande's electoral promises broken: After the legislative branch finally decided to remove HADOPI, the Government politely asked them not to.

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Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#319: Jun 3rd 2016 at 4:01:08 AM

In all fairness, HADOPI is a completely useless tool to fight piracy. I would much rather have it in all its glorious inefficience than see it replaced later by something truly problematic.

edited 3rd Jun '16 5:58:48 AM by Julep

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#320: Jun 3rd 2016 at 4:19:16 AM

Is it named after a Pokémon?

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Khudzlin Since: Nov, 2013
#321: Jun 3rd 2016 at 5:23:17 AM

[up] Nope, it's a thoroughly unfunny acronym.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#322: Jun 3rd 2016 at 7:29:09 AM

HADO-HADOOO? HADOPIII! PIII-PIPIPI! HADO-PI!

edited 3rd Jun '16 7:29:58 AM by TheHandle

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#323: Jun 18th 2016 at 12:05:54 PM

Is there any possible reading of this [1] beyond it being an endorsement of the recent far-right murder of the British MP Jo Cox?

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#324: Jun 18th 2016 at 12:15:25 PM

Le Pen infuriates me. But what's worse is that a large segment of a supposedly democratic, first world nation are supporting her.

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#325: Jun 18th 2016 at 12:33:43 PM

I read somewhere that, in any given country 20% of people are assholes, 20% are thoroughly decent, the rest can be swayed one way or another. In times of economic crisis and growing inequality, advantage tends to go to the former.

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