Openly insulting anyone and everyone who has even the slightest doubts about the quality of your movie while ignoring any reasonable criticisms in favor of playing victim opens you up for a hell of a lot of criticisms yourself.
They have the right to say it, but I have the right to call them assholes for saying it. And that's without taking into consideration how the movie's crew are trying their hardest to prevent people from hearing legitimate complaints by insisting such complaints don't exist to any media outlet that will listen.
Any movie, game, tv show, comic, or anything else will have a Vocal Minority of hateful people spewing bile at it. A good creator will ignore these people except to condemn the minority separate from the whole, and address the praise and critique of the sensible majority. The people behind this movie have done the opposite, they adress only the minority as if they were the whole. The only reason to do such a thing is to deflect real complaints onto a Strawman they can defeat, thus "proving" there is no reason to not like their work. In other words, exceptionally poor business practice.
It's the lumping of everyone into categories. Like the trailers, didn't like the trailers. Criticizing the all-female angle. Criticizing the criticizers for criticizing. 90 percent of internet arguments come about because people don't want to be lumped in with the jackasses of the internet. Everyone thinks their opinion is more nuanced and legitimate than what is being attacked, yet they end up becoming exactly what they are trying not to be. It's likely the shots being fired from the production team are intended for the worst of the worst, but everyone who skewed on the negative side feel like they were attacked.
Tobias, did you miss this bit of the post?
Or this bit?
These nothing definitive in that post.
Also nobody in their thread has bothered to
You're projecting, I assume from other arguments you're having on this subject.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranOther arguments in this thread, perhaps. Attitudes like this:
They have the right to say it, but I have the right to call them assholes for saying it. And that's without taking into consideration how the movie's crew are trying their hardest to prevent people from hearing legitimate complaints by insisting such complaints don't exist to any media outlet that will listen.
Any movie, game, tv show, comic, or anything else will have a Vocal Minority of hateful people spewing bile at it. A good creator will ignore these people except to condemn the minority separate from the whole, and address the praise and critique of the sensible majority. The people behind this movie have done the opposite, they adress only the minority as if they were the whole. The only reason to do such a thing is to deflect real complaints onto a Strawman they can defeat, thus "proving" there is no reason to not like their work. In other words, exceptionally poor business practice.
are not what we're supposed to be about. Call them assholes all you want, but when the entire thread is doing nothing but, then maybe the thread needs to be locked because this kind of rampant negativity has always been unacceptable on Tv Tropes. If all anyone has to say about the film is, "It's shit, and everyone involved is shit, and f*ck you if you disagree!" then they should be doing it somewhere else.
We are, and have always been, about celebrating fiction. It doesn't matter how bad it is. We didn't accept this kind of outrage when it was Metroid Other M. We didn't accept it when it was about the Mass Effect 3 ending. We are not a battlefield to wage a petty, pointless crusade against a piece of fiction someone thinks is shit.
This has devolved into a Complaining Thread and that is completely unacceptable.
edited 20th Jun '16 7:42:05 AM by TobiasDrake
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Again, has there been any major support of this movie that's actually tried to defend it and make any arguments to prove the critics wrong? If I'm not mistaken, every counter that's come from someone who's a big name attached to this movie who knows genuine facts about it to the critics saying "We don't like the look of the movie" or "The movie looks terrible" or "I'm concerned that this movie is going to be a piece of junk" has seemingly been something along the lines of "Well you're wrong, and clearly your refusal to think the movie is going to be great is a sign that you're someone who's compensating for something."
Has there been any genuinely good PR for this movie itself that anyone can point at to give people reason not to be concerned and have doubts?
What about Fant4stic? I seem to recall there being a lot of negative attitudes about Fant4stic in that thread in the lead up to its release when everything about it was making it out to be a stinker.
There have been plenty of threads and conversations and trope pages on this website as a whole that have not taken a kind attitude toward the topic they're discussing and, quite the contrary to 'celebrating' that piece of fiction, have been all about discussing just what's wrong with said piece of fiction, when they're not busy snarking about the piece of fiction being bad.
edited 20th Jun '16 7:48:59 AM by TheSpaceJawa
Temp-locking this hatefest. It truly is not what we are about.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Reopening. Let's see if people can act like grown-ups.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"All right, I'm going to post the first thing I've wanted to post.
I think this one is actually pretty decent.
Oh yeah, and the movie is out now.
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Mr Sunday Movies reviews Ghostbusters
He liked the practical effects and liked the characters.
The only thing he didn't like was the GCI he called it a "Neon Nightmare" in some spots. He thought the movie was fine.
When he broke down his review he said it wasn't as good as the original, it is probably better than the 2nd movie. If it is your first Ghostbusters movie you will probably like it.
edited 16th Jul '16 11:07:50 AM by Halberdier17
Batman Ninja more like Batman's Bizarre AdventureWell, the reviews are all over the damn place:
Angry Joe despised it.
The New York Times review is glowing.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/15/movies/ghostbusters-review-melissa-mccarthy-kristen-wiig.html
Doug Walker is more "meh" with a funny anecdote about his mother hating it.
Richard Roeper calls it "a horrifying mess."
http://chicago.suntimes.com/entertainment/ghostbusters-reboot-a-horrifying-mess/
I think I was expecting varying opinions. And my expectations were met.
So we finally got the box office figure for the opening day gross: at $17.2 million. This movie needs to make $300 million to break even, and $400 million to be considered profitable. I wonder how it will ultimate revenue will be.
I would say that not being released in China would harm its figure...but even if it WAS released there, I seriously doubt that it would have done too well there, since how even The Force Awakens didn't do particularly much. Also, Deadpool was rated R and wasn't released in China, but it grossed almost $800 million. Granted, it had pretty much nothing but positive buzz, but hey.
So...who knows.
EDIT: Oh wait, actually according to The Hollywood Reporter, this movie spent 144 million dollars as budget AND 100 million for marketing. So it needs to make $500 million to "break even." Well. That's a big number.
edited 16th Jul '16 8:32:50 AM by dRoy
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Matthew Buck gave it a positive review as part of his Projector reviews:
Lewis Louvhaug and his brother gave it a more meh review:
Howard Taylor
(of Schlock Mercenary) loved it. This part jumped out at me, because I had the same concern:
I genuinely take more issue with the way that review is written than I do with the film itself. The language, the title, and the final sentences fill me with a seething rage that makes me want to have a pointed conversation with its writer.
Once again I can't understand why I glimpse at professional reviews and let them color my opinion on a film before actually watching the film.
edited 16th Jul '16 10:07:26 AM by Soble
I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!Oh come on, it can't be that-oh.
...This is a professional writer's work, right?
I mean, don't get me wrong, I do think that women can be funny too. I think men and women can be equally funny or unfunny.
But honestly? I didn't get a single laughter out of the ladies, only silence at worst and chuckle at best. Instead, I got the most laughs out of Kevin.
Continuously reading, studying, and (hopefully) growing.From what I can tell (ignoring the strident voices from both sides), the consensus is that it's just meh and not worth all the fuss we've been seeing for the past few months.
It ended not with a bang, but with a whimper.
Incidentally, if you look on Twitter, there's a lot of posts - many, I should mention, not from Internet trolls - talking about how there's barely any people in the theaters showing this, and some of them even have pictures of it.
If it does make a profit, it won't be in the theaters, that's for sure...
"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."

Joke or not, it is entirely ridiculous that anyone would defend the embarrassing tantrum that various people on the internet are throwing over the existence of a piece of art they don't like by, of all things, claiming that they are being censored.
Regardless of which part of "a bad reboot starring women" one may take umbrage with, the retaliation of the cast and crew to the ridiculous overreaction that people have had towards this movie is not trampling on your First Amendment rights. They are simply exercising theirs.
edited 19th Jun '16 9:00:20 PM by TobiasDrake
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