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#1: Oct 8th 2014 at 8:08:12 AM

Simple proposition - make Character Title a supertrope to Antagonist Title, Biopic, Character Name and the Noun Phrase, Mononymous Biopic Title, Name and Name, The Namesake, Protagonist Title, Role Called, and Secondary Character Title, then move all examples on its page that fit the subtropes to those pages, removing those that are already on those pages outright.

Thoughts?

edited 8th Oct '14 8:09:08 AM by Willbyr

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#2: Oct 8th 2014 at 8:32:59 AM

That is a really trivial request. Giving my blessing, here.

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#3: Oct 9th 2014 at 10:35:38 AM

I remember advocating this in some thread or another. Can't recall offhand what it was, but I haven't changed my mind.

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#4: Oct 9th 2014 at 11:00:22 AM

Mostly agree. Biopic isn't necessarily a Character Title, though, and The Namesake isn't necessarily about any character. On the other hand, Job Title might fit if the definition is expanded a little.

edited 9th Oct '14 11:00:36 AM by AnotherDuck

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#7: Oct 20th 2014 at 10:11:55 AM

Ten days since the last post and no dissent present.

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#8: Oct 20th 2014 at 11:45:53 AM

Go forth and do this thing.

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#9: Oct 20th 2014 at 7:15:39 PM

How's this as the rewrite for the definition?

The Character Title is one of the easiest ways to name a work of fiction. Just take the name of a character and use it for the name of the series. The eponymous character is usually, but not always, the protagonist. A possible downfall of this trope is that if the show is a live-action, should the actor playing the title character decides to quit, it could spell the end of the show.

Compare Job Title, which is where the work is named after a character's occupation; and The Place, in which it is named after a location. It may change over time due to Spotlight-Stealing Title. Contrast I Am Not Shazam, where people assume the series' name is the character's name. See the Protagonist Title Fallacy for the false assumption that only protagonists' names are used in Character Titles. In literary circles this is called an eponym, a term also used to refer to The Namesake. Also note that you won't see Cowboy BeBop at His Computer.

Occasionally overlaps with Biopic and The Namesake.

Super-Trope to:

edited 21st Oct '14 6:29:35 AM by Willbyr

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#10: Oct 20th 2014 at 7:33:41 PM

If examples of the subtropes don't always follow the definition of the supertrope, they're not subtropes. Then they're just tropes that occasionally overlap.

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#11: Oct 21st 2014 at 4:19:47 AM

I think Duck is saying that Mononymous Biopic Title counts, but not Biopic, which is character focused, but not always character named.

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#12: Oct 21st 2014 at 4:54:16 AM

And that last statement.

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#13: Oct 21st 2014 at 6:27:53 AM

Fair point. I've moved Biopic and The Namesake to their own statement...the others seem to fit, is there something else I'm missing?

edited 21st Oct '14 6:29:48 AM by Willbyr

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#15: Nov 19th 2014 at 5:22:50 PM

Like this proposition. It would really help to sort out this mess of overlapping examples.

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#16: Nov 19th 2014 at 7:40:14 PM

It will. This is a wonderful course of action.

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#17: Nov 20th 2014 at 4:15:45 AM

Alright, the new definition is swapped in and the page is tagged for this thread; now, the examples that are on the subtrope pages need to be removed.

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#18: Nov 20th 2014 at 5:21:18 AM

I looked over Title Tropes, and found a few others that are probably subtropes as well.

Protagonist and Friends, The Full Name Adventures, Family Title, and The Talk Show with Host Name are fairly straightforward. They're specifically about the names of the characters (or talk show host, which I wouldn't separate for this purpose).

I also looked over The Adjectival Superhero, Enter Eponymous, and I, Noun, but I don't think they qualify. The first two can be Job Titles, and the last is a pronoun rather than a name, and something that can be any descriptor of the character.

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#19: Nov 20th 2014 at 6:05:32 AM

[up] Agreed, those first four should be on the page...and now they are.

edited 20th Nov '14 6:06:51 AM by Willbyr

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#20: Nov 20th 2014 at 7:20:02 AM

So, for clarification, we should remove all examples from Character Title that are also on one of the subtropes, as well as move the ones on Character Title to a subtrope if they fit and they're not already there?

One exception to that I'm thinking of is if a title fits multiple tropes, or if there are other special concerns. Something like the third example on Protagonist Title is a spoiler on that trope, but wouldn't be one if it's placed on the supertrope, with some spoiler text clarifying which subtrope it belongs to.

edited 20th Nov '14 7:21:25 AM by AnotherDuck

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#21: Nov 20th 2014 at 9:22:20 AM

[up] Yes, that's what I had in mind. If there's something that doesn't cleanly fit one of the subtropes, leaving in on Character Title in an appropriate folder or header would be fine.

edited 20th Nov '14 9:23:16 AM by Willbyr

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#22: Nov 20th 2014 at 12:36:16 PM

I got started on the anime section, and it seems like people have their example, then they go and find one title trope that may or may not actually fit, and plop it down there. The tropes are a bit of a mess. Doesn't really help that pretty much all examples lack any context whatsoever (well, for duplicate cleaning it doesn't matter much). Probably going to need a lot of shuffling back and forth to get all cleaned up.

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#23: Nov 20th 2014 at 1:02:14 PM

They really do function more as indexes than as actual tropes, don't they?

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#24: Nov 20th 2014 at 1:30:06 PM

They're tropes where the context can often be inferred just from the title. However, when deciding which subtrope to move them to it becomes a little more problematic, since then the context is what would determine which subtrope they belong to.

Anyway, anime section is done, with one exception. There are a bunch of mecha anime, most of which are on Role Called, that I'm not sure about. The robot in the title tends to be the main one, but the protagonists are usually the human pilots. What trope would those fit under?

There might be some that should still be moved, but none that I recognise or could determine for certain by checking the work pages.

edited 20th Nov '14 1:33:01 PM by AnotherDuck

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#25: Nov 23rd 2014 at 9:06:04 AM

All (or most; I probably missed some) duplicates are removed. What remains is moving examples to the appropriate subtropes. I suspect most that fit under a subtrope fit under Protagonist Title, since that's what Character Title was mainly used as.

Also moved Self-Titled Album up to the description from the example list.

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