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SapphireBlue Since: Jan, 2001
#76: Oct 30th 2014 at 12:00:04 PM

Totally seconding the noncon/dubcon thing. I don't understand the appeal at all. It's one thing to write a rape scene as horror, but it's another thing entirely to romanticize it.

edited 30th Oct '14 12:00:56 PM by SapphireBlue

Pannic Since: Jul, 2009
#77: Oct 30th 2014 at 12:15:58 PM

People have fetishes, I guess. Ayn Rand had a major rape fetish, thus that scene in The Fountainhead.

Of course, I doubt many in this thread would look positively to Ayn Rand for examples.

swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#78: Oct 30th 2014 at 3:22:34 PM

I think dub-con has something to do with having a humiliation fetish. If someone goes off on humiliation fantasies, there has to be an element of non-con in it to be truly humiliation. The only thing which bothers me about non-con or rape stories is when the victim supposedly likes it (but hey, the whole Gor book series is practically about nothing else) or when the solution is the magical healing cock.

Plus, that's just the porn category. Everyone has different likes. I only wonder if there is seemingly nothing else but porn in a fandom...I mean if that's the only thing a show has to offer, it can't be particularly good, can it? And I really dislike the stuff written about real people instead of fictional ones.

Pannic Since: Jul, 2009
#79: Oct 30th 2014 at 3:23:59 PM

Pornographic fanfiction about real people. Totally not creepy!

bookworm6390 Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Abstaining
#80: Oct 30th 2014 at 4:16:20 PM

I probably don't want to know what "magical healing cock" is about. Maybe the reason I'm creeped out by the idea of sexual/porn fanfics is that a character is the product of someone's imagination and it just seems creepy to fantasize about the character someone made up. Especially if it's a franchise for children. That's even worse... not to mention if they didn't put a high enough rating.... The E and M fics on AO 3 count as Schmuck Bait if you aren't into that sort of thing? What if someone wrote a story of humans acting like real wolf packs really act? But then you'd just get a family dynamic with Papa Wolf instead of alpha wolf. I just made the omegaverse even creepier. Parental Incest anyone?

Windona Beetle Brained from At the intersection of eternity (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#81: Oct 30th 2014 at 4:16:52 PM

[up]only way for it to be creepier is if reporters read it to the people it's about.

Dub-con I can understand more, because it ties into the fun of More than Mind Control in that it might be just a repressed expression of the victim's desires, and the victim will be thoroughly bewildered and doubting their self afterwar. But again, I don't get the point if you're going to play it romantic/without any drama. After all, the whole point is the victim's reaction in any story.

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swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#82: Oct 30th 2014 at 4:24:52 PM

[up]Don't remind me

[up][up]Didn't you know? The best way to get over a rape is finding an understanding male (preferable one who treated you like crap beforehand but now understands how horrible your life really is and how much he misunderstood you) who will cuddle you multiple chapters long and then eventually get you over all your insecurities by having sex with you.

EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#83: Oct 30th 2014 at 4:28:12 PM

Why do people watch shows like Glee or Friday Night Lights?

And for that matter, why the hell are High School AU so popular?

Pannic Since: Jul, 2009
#84: Oct 30th 2014 at 4:32:57 PM

Glee is/was a Guilty Pleasure. It's also very big on LGBT stuff, and marketed to a mass audience that gets a lot of traction (transgender characters aren't exactly common in mainstream network television). It also helped that some of the star performers (mainly Lea Michelle and Darren Criss) have small but already built-in fanbases.

The marketing is also pretty good. You got the show, and you can sell the songs covered on the show, so basically the show is advertising for the music and the music is advertising for the show, so you've got a nice back-and-forth with the marketing. Like how that terrible Pokemon anime is still running.

High School AUs in general can probably be chalked up to "written by a teenager writing what they know."

edited 30th Oct '14 4:34:45 PM by Pannic

bookworm6390 Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Abstaining
#85: Oct 30th 2014 at 4:37:08 PM

Yeah. Though it does get weird when you take characters from a magical or superpowerfilled universe and make them regular teens. Or is that what a High School AU is? I do wonder why it's so hard to find stories where Batman and Superman are just friends. I'm not a Slash or romance fan, though that stuff obviously appeals to some people.

Pannic Since: Jul, 2009
#86: Oct 30th 2014 at 4:38:05 PM

Oh yeah, since I keep seeing the word, what's a "gen" fic?

EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#87: Oct 30th 2014 at 4:38:20 PM

[up][up]Yeah, that pretty much is what High School AU is.

[up]I take it to be "general fic", myself.

[nja]

edited 30th Oct '14 4:39:06 PM by EvaUnit01

ObsidianFire Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#88: Oct 30th 2014 at 5:14:35 PM

[up][up] Generally (lol) it's taken to mean whatever the relationships people have in canon are. Most non-romance/shipping stuff is in that genre as well. You'll tend to get more plot-oriented and character exploration in their as well. It might as well be the "this is not for shipping" category although you'll see some people using it to indicate that it's "mainly about the actual plot, not the romance" if there is pairings in it. Basically, it's the smallest category of any fandom and often contributes a disproportionate amount of fis to the positive aspect of Sturgeon's Law.

When people say they like gen fics, they almost always mean they like non-shipping fics.

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#89: Oct 30th 2014 at 5:31:07 PM

[up]Actually the smallest portion of any fandom is lesbian pairings usually, but let's not split hairs.

(There is actually a bit of a formula as to what people ship. The most obvious being the hottest two white males are always paired together)

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EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#91: Oct 30th 2014 at 5:51:12 PM

Speaking of, I don't get why that show has such a massive fanbase.

bookworm6390 Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Abstaining
#92: Oct 30th 2014 at 5:59:52 PM

[up][up]That would be due to the vast majority of the cast being female. Many franchises are either more even or have more guys.

[up]That it was a decent kids show? And really good compared to the previous MLP G3 cartoon? Internet?

Don't know why people do sex/ultraviolence with kid shows... the horror of some kid finding that stuff. Though little kids shouldn't be unsupervised on the internet anyways.

edited 30th Oct '14 6:04:40 PM by bookworm6390

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#93: Oct 30th 2014 at 6:10:41 PM

@Pannic- not in Got G either, but that's because there's only one heterosexual white dude in the movie. I'm betting MLP is also a breaker for the normal rule of 'a small band of rebel shippers pair up the most prominent/only female characters in a show and are usually very underwhelming in numbers'

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#94: Oct 30th 2014 at 6:17:12 PM

Speaking of, I don't get why that show has such a massive fanbase.
A combination of many factors. It was attached to a franchise that already had an adult fanbase. Lauren Faust also already had a fanbase—many of them watched the show with an open mind solely because she was involved. A few incredibly stupid internet articles (criticizing the show without knowing anything about it) gave the show free publicity. And then, a lot of the people who watched the show for the hype or for the sake of irony, stuck around because it's actually pretty good. The creators aimed to make a show that they wouldn't mind watching themselves, and mostly succeeded.

Also, also, it was really lucky timing. There are people out there who like watching a series that combines good writing with sincerity and optimism. When MLPFIM debuted, it was one of the few shows offering that.

swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#95: Oct 30th 2014 at 7:52:57 PM

[up][up]You would be surprised what is shipped in the Got G fandom. Peter and Rocket is especially popular, as is Peter and Saal, Peter and Ronan...basically Peter with everyone and Rocket with everyone. Though I guess the most popular paring is Yondu with Kraglin.

Windona Beetle Brained from At the intersection of eternity (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#96: Oct 31st 2014 at 4:43:57 AM

[up]I figured. The point is that since in the movie Peter's the only real human for most of the plot, there wouldn't be too many Peter/other white human. Leading to a lot of interesting ship diversity.

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PrincessGwen The Wicked Witch of the West from In the U.S.A Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: If it's you, it's okay
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#97: Nov 1st 2014 at 9:07:46 AM

Not to butt in or anything, but I don't get why fanfic writers result in Die for Our Ship if there's a certain pairing they don't like. Wouldn't it just be easier to write the couple as having a breakup offscreen or something? Same goes for Ron the Death Eater. It'd take less effort to write out a character the author doesn't like.

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swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#98: Nov 1st 2014 at 9:55:51 AM

[up]Don't ask me. But then, I am not into shipping fics at all.

Can someone explain me what the deal with a "coffee shop AU" is? I don't get why a coffee shop is so fascinating.

KnightofLsama Since: Sep, 2010
#99: Nov 1st 2014 at 3:52:39 PM

[up] A what?

Never heard of it, but now I'm just curious about the whole reasoning behind it as well.

Windona Beetle Brained from At the intersection of eternity (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#100: Nov 1st 2014 at 3:54:51 PM

[up][up]Same appeal as High School AU, but for people who recently graduated high school.

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