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Fighteer Geronimo! from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Geronimo!
Mar 22nd 2017 at 7:31:59 AM

Well, the problem then is that, unless someone's willing to up the quality of the article, it's going to sit there as a bad example for everyone.

Another thing that came across my radar: Bash Org. The question of "is this tropable" isn't really the issue here; rather, it's almost all weblinks. There's also the fact that the site documents things said by real people, which runs afoul of that rule as well. Didn't we chop FSTDT for the same reason?

edited 22nd Mar '17 7:33:02 AM by Fighteer

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chasemaddigan Biggest Waste of Dump
Biggest Waste of Dump
Mar 29th 2017 at 7:23:58 PM

I found another page for a Sponge Bob fansite that mostly tropes user antics, this time it's The Sponge Bob Community. Like Sponge Buddy Mania it has several zero-context examples, tropes specific users, and judging by what's on the Trivia page, features content that definitely violates our content policy.

Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Mar 29th 2017 at 8:39:02 PM

Oh geez. Cutlisted the whole sordid lot.

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Theatre_Maven_3695 from Ontario, Canada Relationship Status: Charming Titania with a donkey face
Mar 30th 2017 at 9:22:33 AM

Where are we on the crowner? It's been stale for months, with several options well callable likely since 2016.

Mar 30th 2017 at 10:39:49 AM

Calling Sargon, TAA, and Thunderfoot

The world will look up and shout "Save us", and I'll look down and whisper "Too bad, Waluigi Time" Vote Loki 2016
WaterBlap Blapper of Water Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
Mar 30th 2017 at 3:12:50 PM

IIRC, the minimum tally to call is ten votes, and The Other Side has had 12 votes with an 11-to-1 ratio. At the very least, shouldn't its Darth Wiki/ page be cut?

[witty saying]
DustSnitch Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Mar 30th 2017 at 6:01:18 PM

I'd like to call calling The Amazing Atheist.

Even if that channel is full of garbage clickbait content, there's no valid reason to cut the page. It's been established that being a drama magnet is not a reason to be cut, and The Amazing Atheist channel is certainly a tropable work, since the channel discusses and reviews pop culture works like the Transformers films, entries in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, God's Not Dead, and the Star Wars holiday special, among the videos I noticed from a cursory glance at his current channel.

Cutting The Amazing Atheist would set a precedent that works that discuss tropes are not tropable. In addition to completely ignoring the concept of a Conversed Trope, it also invalidates solid pages like Siskel & Ebert, The Nostalgia Critic, Aristotle's Poetics, and every other work indexed on Books on Trope.

edited 30th Mar '17 6:05:04 PM by DustSnitch

The damned do not suffer torments, but live forever without the hope or light of Nicolas Cage.
WaterBlap Blapper of Water Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
Mar 30th 2017 at 6:21:26 PM

[up][up][up] Sargon Of Akkad was already called

[up][up] I agree with Dust Snitch and would like to ask for an explanation between the difference between "does not contain a tropeable work" and "does not really contain a tropeable work" both of which are in the crowner for some reason. The same for "not really a work" under Feminist Frequency. It either is a tropeable work or it isn't; tropeability is not so gray as to say reviewers like TAA or Feminist Frequency or The Nostagia Critic don't "really" have works.

It looks like Spinosegnosaurus 77 added this wording to the TAA, FF, and Thunderfoot entries.

[witty saying]
nrjxll Relationship Status: Not war
Mar 30th 2017 at 6:26:05 PM

To be honest, I have a lot more trouble with describing reviewers as "having works" than on having pages of some kind on reviewers.

Spinosegnosaurus77 Troy & Abed in the morning! from Ontario, Canada Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
Troy & Abed in the morning!
Mar 30th 2017 at 6:27:35 PM

[up][up] My mistake. I'll remove it.

Cool. Coolcoolcool.
DustSnitch Relationship Status: Non-Canon
Mar 31st 2017 at 1:20:26 PM

If anything, the worst offender should be called: eBay. A web site with no tropable work that has more votes to cut it than any other, it would be no loss to the Wiki to see it removed.

The damned do not suffer torments, but live forever without the hope or light of Nicolas Cage.
Theatre_Maven_3695 from Ontario, Canada Relationship Status: Charming Titania with a donkey face
Mar 31st 2017 at 2:53:20 PM

However, there was discussion of it being converted to a Useful Notes page. Did that just go nowhere? Because if not, we need to settle that issue first.

WaterBlap Blapper of Water Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
Mar 31st 2017 at 3:04:57 PM

There seems to be enough examples of eBay referenced in media to have its own, idk, trope or Referenced by.../ page (or a trope where a RL website is used for some specific reason or gag idk), but as far as the actual thing itself, I don't think having a Useful Notes page adds anything. I know the description says "ebay has become a trope in itself," but I'm relying more heavily on the examples (that have context at least).

[witty saying]
LB7979 from the Netherlands Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Mar 31st 2017 at 11:42:30 PM

Lifehacker, a page about the website http://www.lifehacker.com , looks like a stub, with only one sentence to describe the site (and poorly worded at that; it calls it a "self-help" site, but the site is more geared towards technology).

And all 5 Tropes listed are pretty much ZCE and all link towards ONE random article/page on Lifehacker.com out of its 100.000's articles.

This page was made in 2013 by Damian Yerrick (and hasn't been edited since) and they gave as edit reason "If Cracked can have a list of tropes that appear in articles, let's launch this with five examples all found in Five Survival Skills the Movies Taught You Wrong". Uhm, what? So this page was made to make a point against Weblinks Are Not Examples?

Maybe this page should be cutlisted; I read Lifehacker myself regularly and it is an awesome website and all, but not tropeable.

edited 1st Apr '17 12:25:17 AM by LB7979

Spinosegnosaurus77 Troy & Abed in the morning! from Ontario, Canada Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
Troy & Abed in the morning!
Apr 1st 2017 at 6:50:10 AM

[up] I'll throw it on the crowner.

Cool. Coolcoolcool.
Theatre_Maven_3695 from Ontario, Canada Relationship Status: Charming Titania with a donkey face
Apr 1st 2017 at 7:35:17 AM

Wait a second. Shouldn't we deal with the other, severely overdue issues first? This crowner has twenty-six options all told (missing out the two removed ones and the one [up] just added), and some have been sitting stale and undecided for months on end. Why doesn't this thread choose and enforce a hard limit on the number of options per crowner like the NRLEP maintenance thread does? Seems like a no-brainer to me.Thoughts?

edited 1st Apr '17 7:37:19 AM by Theatre_Maven_3695

Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Apr 1st 2017 at 8:02:35 AM

Because the NRLEP thread has someone who's stepped up and taken it on themselves to keep the crowner updated, and to keep track of where in the thread the last suggestion on the crowner was ("This crowner has everything mentioned through post # whatever. ") and to keep tabs on how long an option has been on the crowner and whether it's got a consensus or not.

No one's offered to do that in this thread. Are you volunteering?

edited 1st Apr '17 8:03:32 AM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Theatre_Maven_3695 from Ontario, Canada Relationship Status: Charming Titania with a donkey face
Apr 1st 2017 at 8:09:34 AM

I'll do my best. I have it watchlisted already, iirc. And BTW, is there a way to set up a notation of when an option was crownered? Because both this and the NRLEP crowner are Page Action type, and I don't see anything like that here.) And what exactly does "keeping the crowner updated" entail? Watching for the limit and posting a warning when it gets close/met? Or is there anything I'm not thinking of?

edited 1st Apr '17 8:12:09 AM by Theatre_Maven_3695

Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Apr 1st 2017 at 8:20:54 AM

Ok, then.

No, there's no widget to keep track of when a crowner item was added.

Keeping the crowner updated mean doing what you were complaining that no one is doing:

  • Adding suggstions along with the reason offered in the thread.
  • Calling items that have a consensus and have been on the crowner "long enough" (Which, incidentally, we'll have to decide how long is "long enough", too)
  • Adding items that are decided to be cut onto the Cut List so that you can
  • Change the mark up to indicate it's been decided.

Also

  • Keeping track of pages that are suggested after a crowner is "full" but before it's "finished".
  • Putting those items on a new crowner and
  • Hollering the mods when the crowner needs to be swapped out with a new one.

edited 1st Apr '17 8:26:26 AM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
WaterBlap Blapper of Water Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Blapper of Water
Apr 1st 2017 at 8:52:20 AM

RE "How long is long enough":

Although the NRLEP thread uses two days (plus the weekend if the 48 hours end on a Friday) as a standard-ish length of time, I think this thread should have a much longer time span. The NRLEP thread does not cut whole pages, so I think it's okay to have a decision after a few days. This thread, however, cuts pages whole cloth.

And it isn't all that active (yet).

And and some of these pages have political content and people might vote based on their political beliefs rather than the trope-ability of the page (as already mentioned above about The Nostalgia Critic keeping a page but The Amazing Atheist possibly not).

Thus, I think the length of time should be at least 7 days, maybe 14 days. If the NRLEP thread has a minimum of 2 days, and it gets extended by the weekend and Friday, then it's time span is "at least 2 days, at most 5 days," and this thread's time span should be larger than the NRLEP thread's maximum... thus, "at least 7 days."

Discussion of whether something should be made a Useful Note or a Trope should extend the time span, but I don't know how long.

[witty saying]
Spinosegnosaurus77 Troy & Abed in the morning! from Ontario, Canada Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
Troy & Abed in the morning!
Apr 1st 2017 at 9:16:40 AM

[up] Or an index (regarding the last sentence).

Cool. Coolcoolcool.
Theatre_Maven_3695 from Ontario, Canada Relationship Status: Charming Titania with a donkey face
Apr 1st 2017 at 11:20:27 AM

[up][up] 10-4 smile And does 12 seem like a good number for one crowner? I certainly don't think we need to go any higher than that (also, the precedent is there in the NRLEP thread). Thoughts?

edited 1st Apr '17 11:27:07 AM by Theatre_Maven_3695

Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Apr 1st 2017 at 11:53:47 AM

12 per crowner is good.

I also agree that 2 days is nowhere near long enough. Simply going to 7 does away with needing to keep track of how many weekend days are involved. I'd go with 7, if it were up to me.Oh, and no crowner has an explicit upper bound. they run for a minimum time and then as long beyond that as it takes for them to stabilize ( the number of votes stops changing)

edited 1st Apr '17 11:55:19 AM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Nohbody "In distress", my ass. from Somewhere in Dixie Relationship Status: Mu
"In distress", my ass.
Apr 1st 2017 at 12:06:59 PM

Early NRLEP crowners went beyond 12, but much past that point it becomes somewhat of a pain in the neck to tell what needed attention still, as you had to scroll down through up to 30-ish (IIRC) entries to get to the ones still needing votes.

Given this thread can result in entire pages getting nuked instead of just one or two folders (depending on the specific formatting of the trope up for NRLEP consideration), making it a full week seems fine to me.

edited 1st Apr '17 12:08:35 PM by Nohbody

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Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Apr 1st 2017 at 12:21:26 PM

~Nohbody I'm glad you spoke up. You're the one herding the NRLEP crowner; did I miss anything in my list of what Maven will need to stay on top of?

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.

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28th Jul '17 2:02:10 PM
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