You should have spoken up before we cut it some time ago.

Please give us a reason why we should restore that page.

^^ Because this isn't a site where anything goes; see The Mission. The purpose of the wiki is to document the use of tropes in stories. Anything that detracts from that is superfluous at best and a nuisance at worst.

edited 25th Aug '16 1:21:12 AM by Morgenthaler

In the meantime, calling Sponge Buddy Mania. Should be quick, due to having so few wicks.

Calling Girl Writes What.

Is it worthwhile cutting Feminist Frequency? The page is already a long-standing drama magnet...

That's a worthwhile candidate. Adding to crowner.

Calling Metapedia.

While we're on the subject of drama magnets/userbase troping, why not nominate Six Billion Secrets ? Granted, it's not as bad as some, but it does revolve around the kind of things that tend to get pages cut around here (and doesn't really qualify as a work either.)

edited 20th Sep '16 3:34:38 AM by Theatre_Maven_3695

Yeah, doesn't look like we need it.

Also, calling FurAffinity, since votes on it have settled.

edited 21st Sep '16 7:07:18 AM by Berrenta

I'm not really familiar with Feminist Frequency, but I believe it's a media focused review/analysis show, and should stay based on that. If we're getting rid of it for drama or controversy, then The Amazing Atheist should also be cut.

Don't know if it's been brought up, but looking ar his from his Youtube channel and page here, Sargon Of Akkad doesn't really seem to have much, if anything, to do with media, and he's pretty much a "rambling vlogger" type. He also has the drama and controversy aspect going against him.

Thunderf00t should be cut for similar reasons.

Seconding deleting Rational Wiki. It was pretty much formed as the anti-Conservapedia, and has almost nothing to do with narrative or artistic media. Mentioning what it is on The Wiki Rule page is good enough.

edited 23rd Sep '16 5:58:20 AM by supergod

I agree about Feminist Frequency. If it really is an issue, it can be cleaned and locked like Amazing Atheist.

If I may add my two cents, if you go along with cutting webblogs that are just saying stuff about works rather than producing works, then Feminist Frequency, Sargon Of Akkad, Thunderf00t and the like all qualify. All Fem Freq does is Complaining About Shows You Dont Like about perceived problems in media they don't produce without giving helpful advice and when one looks close enough, it's a very obvious case of lack of research more often than not (like their infamous Batman video). In the same vein they also complain about people complaining about them via generalisations and demonisation.

On the other side, folks like The Amazing Atheist, the aforementioned Sargon and Thunderfoot and others like Armoured Skeptic or Shoe 0n Head often enough do the same, picking up articles and videos from across the internet and giving commentary, but none of them produce fiction.

Personally I wouldn't be against these articles, but since they don't fit The Mission by any stretch, they'd have to go; and even then I also have to admit that they will always attract natter and complaining from all sides. Why Fandom Can't Have Nice Things is sadly in full effect here.

edited 23rd Sep '16 9:03:54 AM by TheKaizerreich

The difference is that Thunderf00t and Sargon aren't media focused, even if they produce the occasional vlog talking about this film or that video game.

I don't think that something has to necessarily qualify as fiction to count. It should generally be something geared towards entertainment and/or producing a narrative, but if we're deleting stuff strictly based on them not being presented as fiction, then say goodbye to Mythbusters, stuff like the Daily Show and Last Week Tonight, Siskel & Ebert, internet review shows like Zero Punctuation and Total Biscuit, Cracked, a bunch of music, game shows, riffs, etc. I think what we're looking for are creative works, not necessarily fictional works.

I haven't actually watched Feminist Frequency, so I guess it depends on whether it qualifies as entertainment (or edutainment) with some creativity and production value, like Vsauce or Extra Credits, or if it's just a person sitting in front of a camera ranting about stuff.

Amazing Atheist gets a pass because of his "Distressed Watcher" stuff (which I've also never watched), but maybe a page about him should only be focused on that particular show.

edited 23rd Sep '16 10:08:58 AM by supergod

Well Sargon also does Let's Plays, reads and reviews classic literature and a bunch of other stuff (he even forged a sword once and filmed the whole process), so he has that going for it. Fem Freq doesn't, 95% of their format is "person (almost always Anita Sarkeesian) sits in front of mono-coloured screen and talks about screenshots or videos in a corner, occasionally full-screen, and gives their opinion why this is bad and you should feel bad about (liking) it". They tried starting a new series before finishing the old one, but I haven't seen that because I eventually just gave up on them and went to other channels instead, so MAYBE that one is good enough.

As much as I think Feminist Frequency has its share of problems, a lack of tropable content isn't one of them. Discussing tropes connects to what this site is about, even if it's indirectly.

I'd probably more compare it to something like Extra Credits than Mythbusters when it comes to tropability, though.

Well, if he does Let's Plays and stuff, the pages should focus on that content. If they have names for their more relevant shows, even better. There's absolutely no mention of anything related to video games or literature on his page here, not even in the description, and going through his Youtube channel, I'm definitely not getting the impression that the primary focus of the channel is discussing that stuff. Like I said earlier, there's a difference between a show focused on discussing creative media and a channel that has the occasional video about it.

Whether the content is bad or not should have no bearing on whether or not it should have a page.

edited 23rd Sep '16 12:32:24 PM by supergod

Calling Microaggressions.

Y'know, "invites drama" is really not a good argument for cutting something. We have articles for Mein Kampf and The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which are books that have helped contribute to the death of millions. Compared to that "causes squabbles amongst video game fans" is pretty minor! :rolleyes:

The usual way we deal with things which invite drama is to lock them or insist on No Real Life Examples Please. (Or, in extreme cases, both.)

"Not tropable" is a good argument, but we do have a lot of pages for publishers, which serve as indexes, even though few publishers are tropable. I think blog-hosting sites like Tumblr might well serve as indexes, assuming we have enough articles on the blogs it hosts. (Tumblr also hosts some webcomics, I believe, though none that I follow regularly, so I can't name specific examples.)

No, I can't see the argument for cutting Feminist Frequency on the basis of controversy as opposed to tropeability. Whatever your opinion, the simple fact is that it deals with media and tropes, so it has a place here because of the "No notability" rule. If people looking for a fight actually import drama or start edit wars, we can ban them and lock the page.

Calling Sheroes Central. No wicks to go through, making it an easy cut.

I might be out of line in saying this, but I really don't trust that people are going to be unbiased and actually look at tropability when voting for or against FF, Thunderfoot, Sargon, and The Amazing Athiest.

Checking Sargon's page, it's pretty much all about opinions of society and opinions about groups with opinions about society. I don't see any media tropes there.

Thunderf00t and TAA I'm less sure about, since they have a bunch of tropes relating to the videos themselves. FF I already mentioned.

The Amazing Atheist should stay, but Thunderf00t doesn't really have much to do with creative media, even if the page is focused on his videos.

edited 24th Sep '16 5:17:55 PM by supergod

Yeah, Sargon didn't have anything to trope about, hence why I amended the entry. The others I need to check to pass some fair judgement.

Was going to call Tumblr, but there's going to be a lot of wicks to go through. Since it's a major social networking site, I'm tempted to see if we can salvage it somehow. Maybe bolster the description and get rid of problem entries?

edited 24th Sep '16 8:13:06 PM by Berrenta

Perhaps keep a description of the site, and leave it as that?