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TroperOnAStickV2 Call me Stick from Redneck country Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#201: Nov 24th 2017 at 8:26:13 AM

Honestly it feels like at least the Western world is undergoing a political breakdown. At least in the US the root causes (ridiculous imbalance of wealth, allowing unchecked political donations) can be identified and supposedly treated.

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Ulysses21 Since: Mar, 2015
#202: Nov 24th 2017 at 8:29:43 AM

[up][up] You've got that right. Although at least our net neutrality laws are fairly solid, namely the European Union's Regulation on Open Internet Access... oh wait, except we're leaving the EU...

It's a different situation though, the UK ISP market is very competitive so you can basically choose the provider that suits you best, whereas my understanding of US IS Ps is that most of them have essentially made deals with the others allowing monopolisation of certain regions.

edited 24th Nov '17 8:30:17 AM by Ulysses21

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#203: Nov 24th 2017 at 8:33:42 AM

Local-loop Unbundling is a common thing in the UK, yes. I don't know if Ofcom requires it, but still...

EDIT: Apparently it is a requirement from the regulator.

edited 24th Nov '17 8:35:18 AM by Deadbeatloser22

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Zendervai Since: Oct, 2009
#204: Nov 24th 2017 at 8:43:18 AM

Net Neutrality doesn’t matter as much in a super-competitive market. New Zealand doesn’t have it, but if one ISP starts throttling Netflix or whatever, people will just switch to a different ISP en masse, thus removing any incentive to do that.

It’s still important, and the US definitely needs it, since the US ISP market is the least competitive market for basically anything I’ve ever seen. I’d call it a “patchwork monopoly”.

TroperOnAStickV2 Call me Stick from Redneck country Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#205: Nov 24th 2017 at 3:37:45 PM

Relevant: CaptainSparklez joins the fight.

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PhysicalStamina ain't nothin' but a party y'all (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
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#206: Nov 24th 2017 at 5:01:58 PM

...cool...? I have no idea who that is or why his endorsement of net neutrality is especially poignant.

EDIT: I mean I guess if it lets more people in on what NN is, cool, but I have to wonder about the degree of the video's effectiveness.

[down]Except I wasn't ninja'd.

edited 24th Nov '17 5:40:56 PM by PhysicalStamina

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TroperOnAStickV2 Call me Stick from Redneck country Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#207: Nov 24th 2017 at 5:38:12 PM

His comment should reach more people, who might not have heard of this otherwise. I guess that's it.

EDIT: I believe the term is ninja'd. Also, he at least linked a petition.

[up] No I was.

edited 24th Nov '17 6:12:47 PM by TroperOnAStickV2

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BagofMagicFood Since: Jan, 2001
#208: Nov 26th 2017 at 10:43:48 AM

There is always hope. You youngun's dont remember it, but all this sort of thing has happened before.
Doesn't that make it worse if it's a recurring problem? waii

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#209: Nov 26th 2017 at 10:46:51 AM

The solution is also recurring. And society gets slightly freer as the generations go by.

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KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#210: Nov 26th 2017 at 10:49:18 AM

Totally unrelated, but while I like progress and happiness, I dont like the word freedom so much.

Said this, yeah, if something becomes a recurrent issue and its get solved recurrently then it means that the first steps to solve it permanently have started.

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Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#211: Nov 27th 2017 at 1:36:43 PM

Since it's going down on the 14th I think it's safe to say no amount of protests would do any good at this point.

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#212: Nov 27th 2017 at 1:48:53 PM

[up] that's understandable. I'm a bit cynical but it most likely be stopped by court action or get repealed in 2020 or 2024. See y'all in several years.

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#213: Nov 27th 2017 at 2:05:18 PM

But keep protesting! Because public opinion affects the Court and the Congress. The greater the outcry, the more likely we will see it reversed.

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Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#214: Nov 27th 2017 at 2:07:12 PM

I remember asking if it would be possible to get this thing repealed after it goes into place but never got an answer.

DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#215: Nov 27th 2017 at 2:11:22 PM

Congress can repeal any law it passes. The White House can reverse any executive order it executes. You just need a change in the majority party.

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Kaiseror Since: Jul, 2016
#216: Nov 27th 2017 at 2:12:49 PM

Hopefully people will finally do something about this when it starts affecting their services.

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#217: Nov 27th 2017 at 2:23:50 PM

By that time it may be too late.

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ewolf2015 MIA from south Carolina Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I-It's not like I like you, or anything!
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#218: Nov 27th 2017 at 3:10:42 PM

Like by 2060, most parts of the planet are either forest or desert but still, stop with the cyncism and be a bit more reasltic. Unless, the law gets passed with no resistance and people get screwed. I'm just trying to be positive.

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Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
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#219: Nov 27th 2017 at 6:08:08 PM

Sure, it can be repealed, but there's that thing called precedent. Which is going to make it much harder.

Well, nobody said you lot understood much about how the non-HTTP-delivered world works.

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#220: Nov 27th 2017 at 6:44:29 PM

The action they are undertaking now is a reversal of the Obama admin's policies. We can reverse it right on back. We just need to sway public opinion in that direction.

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#221: Nov 28th 2017 at 6:42:51 AM

It's not a matter of public opinion — cable companies are already horrifically unpopular among the general public, and virtually no one outside the industry is in favor of pulling back net neutrality rules. It's a matter of making the FCC and/or Congress actually act on public opinion instead of telecomm lobbying efforts.

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DeMarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#222: Nov 28th 2017 at 6:55:41 AM

In a democracy, everything is a matter of public opinion. That said, popularity doesnt translate directly into policy. You hsve to convince people to vote on the issue first, or allow a candidates stand on the issue to influence their vote. Right now, most voters dont even know what net neutrality is, let alone base their vote on it. If you want to preserve NN, then we have to raise the public's awareness. You dont do that by remaining silent.

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TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#223: Nov 28th 2017 at 7:30:14 AM

I'm not sure if this has been discussed yet, but what's going to happen to This Very Wiki if net neutrality gets repealed?

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Kayeka (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#224: Nov 28th 2017 at 7:32:44 AM

[up]Probably very little. It's probably under the radar of anyone trying to make millions by screwing over their customers.

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#225: Nov 28th 2017 at 7:36:16 AM

Oh, good. That's reassuring.

edited 28th Nov '17 7:36:24 AM by TyeDyeWildebeest

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