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This thread is for discussing politics, political science, and other politics-related topics in a general, non-country/region-specific context. Do mind sensitive topics, especially controversial ones; I think we'd all rather the thread stay free of Flame Wars.

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Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 25th 2025 at 9:51:19 AM

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#2976: Jan 30th 2021 at 8:00:53 PM

[up]The naivete goes right to the assumption that the working class will collectively want socialism or communism. Marx thought that they'd embrace their class consciousness once someone showed them the way.

As Lenin discovered, that wasn't the case. So he just put an asterisk by the "democratic" part of democratic centralism.

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#2977: Jan 30th 2021 at 8:04:35 PM

Naive is the first part, there is also a profund convicion in their own rightness of their cause(and agresive categorization of everyone who dosent follow it) and by being forcefull and intense about it will grante that everything will land just right place.

unite the three and you got a very toxic worldview that will atract the same crowd that in other circunstance, would probably join facism anyway.

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#2978: Jan 30th 2021 at 8:27:45 PM

Really, it falls back into the common saying that people's political views are in fact a mix, and nobody's actually sure of where they are or what mold they fit in.

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#2979: Jan 30th 2021 at 8:53:11 PM

I'm not too into political labels and can't tell my market integralism from my thalassocratic authoritarianism to save my life, but my personal ethics have remained consistent since I was teenager. Sometimes that drives me to rethink my opinion of certain policies, people or movements.

In any case, I guess that this is a better indicator of my political views than any particular label.

(Or alternatively: depends on who I'm trolling today.)

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#2980: Jan 30th 2021 at 10:14:19 PM

I took that test just now. I will admit I answered some questions without thinking too much (I was about...20% asleep and wanted to get through it quickly). I will say, I'm not liking the way that flag looks.

I did take that test years ago and got a much cooler looking flag, one that looked like a blue-and-white American flag with a gear instead of stars.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#2981: Jan 31st 2021 at 5:27:18 AM

My results.

Perhaps somewhat influenced by how literally I took certain questions, but not too off I suppose.

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#2982: Jan 31st 2021 at 5:42:10 AM

I think mine are pretty similar to last time I took it.[1] Regulatory-Globalist-Progressive-Rehabilitative-Communism, with a touch of pragmatism.

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#2984: Jan 31st 2021 at 6:18:27 AM

And here is mine: [1]

Not quite sure what to make of that.

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#2985: Jan 31st 2021 at 6:19:25 AM

My turn.

Rather unsurprising. I think the only reason I’m not 100% progressive is a weirdly worded question.

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TheWildWestPyro from Seattle, WA Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
#2986: Jan 31st 2021 at 6:20:29 AM

Generally my ideology falls comfortably under left-wing nationalism as a form of Tridemism. Economically I'd be a social democrat.

When people ask me what my personal politics are, I simply begin by saying 'I follow the words of a dead man.'

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#2987: Jan 31st 2021 at 6:35:19 AM

This is what I got, but I question questions like "do hormones influence gendet norms?". Feels like they are treating an empirical evidence question as if it were a normative one.

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#2988: Jan 31st 2021 at 6:39:27 AM

I think that is rather the point of that question: it is basically a religion vs science question in disguise.

Or possibly nature vs nurture: is gender identity determined by things like hormones and chemistry, or is it a choice you can make? Are gender norms set by society, or are they inherent natural systems?

Edited by Redmess on Jan 31st 2021 at 3:43:21 PM

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PointMaid Since: Jun, 2014
#2989: Jan 31st 2021 at 6:47:49 AM

Here's mine, for what it's worth.

And yeah, I had some, er, questions for the questions myself. But that might be the point sometimes, as you say.

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#2990: Jan 31st 2021 at 6:55:18 AM

So right now the moderator is the only person who hasn’t gotten the Pragmatist characteristic? I’m sure there’s a good joke in there somewhere. tongue

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#2991: Jan 31st 2021 at 6:58:48 AM

[up]Incidentally, is there a list of those characteristics?

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#2992: Jan 31st 2021 at 7:12:47 AM

It's just two: Pragmatist and Missionary.

I did get Pragmatist but it's greyed out, whatever that means.

Edited by HailMuffins on Jan 31st 2021 at 12:13:30 PM

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#2993: Jan 31st 2021 at 8:08:17 AM

Apparently, I'm a pragmatic centrist progressive.

Huh, I thought I was more aligned toward punitive justice.

Another point I'd question is whether the Ecology/Production scale reads pro-geoengineering, pro-nuclear environmentalism as Production.

Edited by Ramidel on Jan 31st 2021 at 7:18:13 AM

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#2994: Jan 31st 2021 at 10:11:50 AM

I think it's important to recognize them as attempts however. Otherwise you're just gonna repeat the mistakes.

Certainly, I fully agree. But leftists have been grappling with the flaws of the Soviet Union since it fell, so it has very much been happening.


Oooooh, I love internet political tests! It's always good to take them with a massive grain of salt but they're always fun.

Here's my results

It's pretty much exactly as I expected, though the punitive justice score was surprisingly high. I'm not sure that makes it wrong, now that I think about it when it comes to economical crimes vs political I'm fair harsher about the latter. Interesting.

I'm also ambivalent about my nationalism score, I do support loyalty to one's society but calling that "nationalism" is... fraught. Considering that I would love to abolish all nation-states in favor of a world-government. I guess it could be considered a form of pan-human nationalism...

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Jan 31st 2021 at 10:14:25 AM

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#2995: Jan 31st 2021 at 10:17:45 AM

That's a bit of the issue with the test

See the "Essentialism" thing. Imagine someone that believe 90% of human personality is developed via raising but they are pretty focused, at a obsessive level,on the remaining 10%.

Is said person a essentialist?

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#2996: Jan 31st 2021 at 11:21:52 AM

Since it's an objective question with a scientific answer (abeit a complicated one) they really shouldn't phrase it that way.

Then again, "adherence to the facts" isn't given a political label.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#2997: Jan 31st 2021 at 11:50:23 AM

Especially since "hormones are a contributing factor to a greater degree than none at all, but also aren't the be-all and end-all of everything" can be interpreted as either a yes or a no in spirit.

Edited by AlleyOop on Jan 31st 2021 at 2:50:41 PM

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#2998: Jan 31st 2021 at 12:11:57 PM

Here's mine.

I got Pragmatist, which makes sense, but it's sort of hidden underneath the parameters and greyed out, so I dunno.

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#2999: Jan 31st 2021 at 12:46:18 PM

Since it's an objective question with a scientific answer (abeit a complicated one) they really shouldn't phrase it that way.

Then again, "adherence to the facts" isn't given a political label.

Is the science behind gender identity and the role hormones play actually settled?

"Einstein would turn over in his grave. Not only does God play dice, the dice are loaded." -Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#3000: Jan 31st 2021 at 12:51:51 PM

Enough studies have been done to indicate, albeit not necessarily confirm (by their nature science and statistics can only disprove affirmatives, not prove negatives), that the contributions of biology to gender identity are greater than "absolutely none at all, ever", despite what the most hardline gender-as-social construct advocates may claim.

That being said, the converse statement that biology is everything when it comes to gender identity is pretty obviously bunk, and is the type of statement that science is capable of disproving definitively.

Edited by AlleyOop on Jan 31st 2021 at 4:18:07 AM


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