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MarqFJA Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus
Aug 30th 2014 at 10:59:19 PM

This thread is for discussing politics, political science, and other politics-related topics in a general, non-country/region-specific context. Do mind sensitive topics, especially controversial ones; I think we'd all rather the thread stay free of Flame Wars.

Please consult the following threads for country/region-specific politics (NOTE: The list is eternally non-comprehensive; it will be gradually updated whenever possible).

edited 11th Oct '14 3:17:52 PM by MarqFJA

When we are crushing the black hearts of our oppressors, we will find our hands blackened.
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MarqFJA Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus
Sep 3rd 2014 at 8:28:48 AM

Thanks.

So, first question of the day: What's the difference between the political concepts of nationality and citizenship? Or rather, in countries or academic circles that do differentiate between those two concepts, how do they usually differ, and why? The Other Wiki's article on the topic was rather unsatisfactory in explaining this, IMO.

When we are crushing the black hearts of our oppressors, we will find our hands blackened.
Ekuran Hi. from somewhere. Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Hi.
Sep 3rd 2014 at 9:29:20 AM

I imagine nationality is based on what you consider yourself to be, so an adult immigrant citizen would still see themselves as a person from their country of origin, while their kid who immigrated to the new country as an infant would probably see themselves as a person from the country they were raised in.

Citizenship is just a legal status.

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Sep 3rd 2014 at 2:18:28 PM

Marq, if North Korea fits, which I believe it does, here's the link. You might wanna add it to the list. Good thread.[tup]

edited 4th Sep '14 1:25:51 AM by Quag15

MarqFJA Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus
Sep 3rd 2014 at 2:42:24 PM

[up] Can't believe I forgot about that one. Thanks.

[up][up] In other words, "nationality" is about belonging to a particular people from a geopolitically-neutral, societal sense, while "citizenship" is about allegiance to a political state, irrespective of national origins if said state is not founded on a nation-state model?

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Ekuran Hi. from somewhere. Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Hi.
Sep 3rd 2014 at 6:40:39 PM

Yeah.

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daltar The Maid from the fantasy of green. Relationship Status: All is for my lord
The Maid
Sep 3rd 2014 at 8:30:50 PM

For the sake of completeness of the list, here is the link to the Venezuelan Politics and general situation thread?

edited 3rd Sep '14 8:31:11 PM by daltar

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MarqFJA Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus
Sep 4th 2014 at 5:01:24 AM

Thanks. And for further completeness, I searched for "Latin America", and got this OTC thread (last post is from February of this year). Does that look like a good place for discussing Latin American politics?

Nothing for "South America" in OTC, sadly. Makes me wonder if I should make the Americas split between "Northern America" (the official geopolitical term for the non-Latin American parts of the Americas, i.e. everything north of Mexico) and "Latin America", as in the UN geoscheme.

edited 4th Sep '14 5:05:02 AM by MarqFJA

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The Wanderer
Sep 4th 2014 at 9:02:37 AM

Here's the link for Argentinian politics.

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MarqFJA Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus
Sep 5th 2014 at 7:20:16 AM

Thanks.

New topic: Sociocracy. Has anyone tried applying it to political governance? Also, does it count as a form of democracy, or is it so different that it should be considered a separate form of political system altogether?

edited 5th Sep '14 7:21:26 AM by MarqFJA

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A procrastination in of itself
Sep 27th 2014 at 5:44:37 AM

Any chance we could get this thread pinned for easy access? The OP is a pretty good directory for all the regional politics topics.

"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran
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Geronimo!
Sep 27th 2014 at 8:02:22 AM

I'll pin this, although I'm a bit leery of having it function as both a listing of conversations and a conversation in and of itself.

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MarqFJA Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus
Sep 27th 2014 at 8:11:02 AM

... You know, you do make a good point with your reservations. How about this: We make a separate pinned thread that lists the most major/popular/active general-topic OTC threads (I'll leave it to the mods to decide upon the procedure for filtering requests for the addition of new threads), which will include this one but not the more specific politics thread (which are instead listed in the OP of this thread). Kinda like the "Anime/Manga that already have threads." thread, you know?

edited 27th Sep '14 8:33:05 AM by MarqFJA

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Sep 27th 2014 at 8:14:41 AM

Mark, if you want to add the Southeast Asia thread to the list, here it is.

edited 27th Sep '14 8:14:50 AM by Quag15

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Geronimo!
Sep 27th 2014 at 8:22:16 AM

~Marq FJA: That suits me. Remake your OP and I'll pin that instead.

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MarqFJA Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus
Sep 27th 2014 at 8:34:02 AM

... Remake my OP? Shouldn't that be "make an appropiate OP for this new thread"?

[nja]-edited previous post to clarify the wording.

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Beware the Crazy Man.
Sep 27th 2014 at 8:35:47 AM

Why are we using the Greater Middle East definition? The South Asia thread already covers Pakistan and probably could with Afghanistan as well. Perhaps there should be a Central Asian threat for them, since they themselves do not consider themselves to be part of the Middle East, Bush era definitions be damned.

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SeptimusHeap from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Sep 27th 2014 at 8:36:01 AM

I would suggest to expand this thread to be a directory. That would require editing the OP and the thread title.

MarqFJA Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus
Sep 27th 2014 at 8:43:41 AM

[up] Didn't I already suggest that? Or do you mean something else?

[up][up] Whether or not they consider themselves part of the region doesn't affect the fact that they do have historical and cultural ties to said region in the grand scheme of things.


Here is my tentative draft for this new thread's OP:

The Problem: It can get rather tedious to search for a thread through its title if it involves multiple keywords that can be spelled in several different ways, e.g. American vs. British spelling, hyphenation (sometimes the thread's creator may forget or not know that some part of the title is properly spelled with a hypen), letters with diacritical marks (searching for "Pokemon" won't give you "Pokémon, for example), and other similar cases.

The Solution: Why not make a thread that lists the most major/popular/active threads in OTC with more or less general-scope topics, which would then have their own lists of more specific-topic threads?

NOTE: To make adding threads to the list more efficient, please format new links to the first page of each thread like this:

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=*thread_code* Title Of Thread

Current list of threads:

edited 27th Sep '14 9:35:49 AM by MarqFJA

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Geronimo!
Sep 27th 2014 at 8:53:09 AM

That is what I meant: make a second post with the directory and I'll pin that.

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MarqFJA Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus
Sep 27th 2014 at 9:36:09 AM

OK, made a preliminary list of threads and added it to the prior post.

edited 27th Sep '14 9:41:40 AM by MarqFJA

When we are crushing the black hearts of our oppressors, we will find our hands blackened.
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Geronimo!
Sep 29th 2014 at 8:52:55 AM

The format is fine. You should add more content, though.

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MarqFJA Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Fiat justitia, et pereat mundus
Sep 29th 2014 at 8:54:22 AM

Well, at that, I am stumped. And I freely admit that I plagiarized parts of the anime/manga thread OP that I cited previously, BTW.

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