So uh, crowners been called. Course of action (girl) folks?
edited 1st Sep '14 11:57:55 PM by acrobox
Well, I'd guess the best option would be to sandbox a tweaked description and see what people think. While I'd prefer to leave it to someone else (part avoiding conflict of interest, part you guys have a better sense of what you want the supertrope to be than I do), I can do it if no one else steps up, or suggests an alternative way to proceed.
Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)An early draft is now on the sandbox page.
(I don't expect it to survive intact.)
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, though I wonder about the line about example-linking. Didn't the agreed course of action involve moving most of the examples rather than all of them?
I rewrote that line, since we aren't trying to shoehorn all examples of Action Girl into subtropes.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanI tweaked it to be two sentences, since that reads better.
On the other hand, I completely disagree with acrobox's "streamlining" changes, since that makes it sound (to me, at least) less neutral on the subject. (Given how controversial sexism in fiction is, being fairly neutral is critical here.) Permission to revert?
edited 6th Sep '14 9:36:12 AM by TotemicHero
Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)They look alright to me. We don't need to harp on "the roots of this trope are in sexist expectations And That's Terrible". We still have a mention of the inherent Double Standard both past and present — it's not like we're glossing over the whole subject.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.We do have an Analysis subpage for the trope. If anything being excised fits there, we should transplant accordingly, right?
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.My main issue is the change you made to the last sentence of the second paragraph. The way I originally wrote it was with the tone of cautious optimism on the matter, which I think is the tone least likely to cause problems. Your change moved it a little too far away from that for my liking.
I'm a bit unsure on the change to the third paragraph as well (why wouldn't we indicate that society moves on and these concepts evolve), but after some thought I think I can live with that.
I have no problems with the other changes you made.
Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)For the record, the last sentence of the second paragraph was edited from this
I'm not seeing any issues. It removes the mention of "progression" and "catching up" — but like I said in my earlier post, the description still acknowledges that there's a Double Standard inherent in the trope, and this particular sentence still mentions that that double standard hasn't gone away entirely (while being shorter and simpler, which is good).
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
Crown Description:
Action Girl is filled with Zero Context Examples. The definition is bloated and nebulous.

It seems to point to, and correct me if i'm wrong, that the original Action Girl trope was essentially The Tough Chick from the narrowed propositions. or at least at the nexus of The Tough Chick (spunky, attitude is important) and Can Keep Up With The Boys (takes down bad guys, competency is important)
edited 29th Aug '14 4:45:04 PM by acrobox