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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#5951: Nov 25th 2023 at 1:15:49 AM

"So I got jumpscared by a white woman. "

so the typical black men experience, got it evil grin

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#5952: Nov 25th 2023 at 1:56:26 AM

So is Vanny the Springtrap AND Bonnie of this game?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#5953: Nov 25th 2023 at 3:09:50 AM

The classic white woman junpscare meme.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#5954: Nov 26th 2023 at 4:00:04 PM

Oh no, Freddy is wrecked and was attacked by someone. Or he just fell down from a lack of charge.

You know, I feel like I can trust this guy now. Hoping he doesn't betray me or get compromised by Vanny and tries to kill me. Would really suck.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
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Goku Black
#5955: Nov 27th 2023 at 10:42:00 AM

BTW why are are tales of the pizzaplex and fazbear brights listed together on the Fazbear Frights series. Aren't they two different series.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Snoketrope Barb / Temporary Kylo from California Since: Oct, 2020 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
Barb / Temporary Kylo
#5956: Nov 27th 2023 at 12:22:52 PM

They are. It's just that no one has gotten around to making a new page yet.

I would do it but I can't edit.

If anyone can do that, it would be appreciated.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#5957: Nov 29th 2023 at 7:37:03 AM

Okay, so does the VR game explain why all the glam rockers are trying to kill Gregory?

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#5958: Nov 29th 2023 at 7:40:05 AM

[up]Their posssed by Glitch trap or i guess corrupted would be a better word

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
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Snoketrope Barb / Temporary Kylo from California Since: Oct, 2020 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
Barb / Temporary Kylo
#5960: Nov 29th 2023 at 11:19:17 AM

They have the Glitchtrap virus uploaded into them. This corrupts them into being hostile.

Ironically, it was pre-amnesia Gregory who did this.

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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#5961: Nov 29th 2023 at 11:20:52 AM

Since when does Gregory have amnesia and since when did Gregory the 12 year old have influence over state of the art robots

Or is this a "read the novels" hing.

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#5962: Nov 29th 2023 at 11:23:55 AM

Gregory himself might actually be a robot. People laughed off MatPat at first when he suggested it (and even he thought it was a bit of a reach) but everything seems to be pointing towards it as an actual thing now.

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#5963: Nov 29th 2023 at 11:36:08 AM

It's implied in the games, just confirmed in the books. Gregory was 'Patient 46', he was Glitchtrap's other murder apprentice outside of Vanny, using the name 'Dr.Rabbit'. He reinserted the virus into the animatronics after the storyteller tree was removed.

[up] He's probably not a robot. GGY says how he came from a wealthy family. They just seem to be gone by the time SB takes place.

the big thing supposedly connecting to Gregbot, the post-it room, seems to have been foreshadowing for the Mimic.

Edited by Snoketrope on Nov 29th 2023 at 11:37:09 AM

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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#5964: Nov 29th 2023 at 12:16:11 PM

When was this implied in the games? Security Breach or Ruin?

PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#5965: Nov 29th 2023 at 12:42:15 PM

It's not. It's a big Ass Pull because people were dissatisfied with Glitchtrap being Afton returned as a digital ghost because it's a Happy Ending Override of Pizza Simulator. The only foreshadowing is that Vanessa isn't Patient 46 but that's so vague it could mean anything, really, and there's no hints that Patient 46 is Gregory specifically in the games. Gregory in the games is presented as a Homeless Hero who was abducted because he wouldn't be missed. Putting him in the Pizzaplex seems like Glitchtrap/Vanny's fun idea for a murder game. Gregory is horrified at the idea of killing Vanessa and covers his eyes in the Disassemble ending, there's no hints that he's a secret murder disciple. He's ruthless towards the animatronics, but they're robots trying to kill him and he knows they can be repaired. His priority is survival and it makes perfect sense for a homeless child to be more cutthroat than his peers.

If anything, the game contradicts Gregory being a murder disciple. See again his reaction to killing Vanessa in self-defense and his instinctive fear of her (which is natural if she abducted him in the first place). If he was a murder disciple he should want to reunite with Vanessa asap.

I guess you can argue Gregory being adept with machinery is a little odd, but it's not outside the realm of impossibility that Gregory was stealing cars as a street kid and that's why he knows how to use jumper cables and drive.

Edited by PhiSat on Nov 29th 2023 at 2:02:24 AM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#5966: Nov 29th 2023 at 12:53:08 PM

"I legit said "virus.""

Yeah but I'm asking the how and when.

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#5967: Nov 29th 2023 at 3:05:05 PM

It was foreshadowed in the game itself. Vanessa explicitly isn't Patient 46, the therapist talks to patient 46 like they are a child, and we never hear their choice implying it's someone who we are familiar with.

By process of elimination a lot of people were already able to guess it was Gregory. The other option was 'Elizabeth but she's reassurected as a cyborg'

Ruin was released after Gregory 46 was confirmed. And it shows that he is indeed a master hacker.

Edited by Snoketrope on Nov 29th 2023 at 3:09:23 AM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#5968: Nov 29th 2023 at 3:07:31 PM

If it's another Afton, then how many times do we gotta teach this family a lesson?

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#5969: Nov 29th 2023 at 4:00:51 PM

I also still think the Mimic was always the plan and they just waited too long to reveal it. Given a number of details like the graffiti of bunny ears over and Endo's head. The post-it room with a machine seeming to become smarter and building a shrine to the Afton family. And other minor things.

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PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#5970: Nov 29th 2023 at 9:30:36 PM

The shrine points to it being Afton's ghost, if anything. As do Vanessa's tapes with her abusive "father" Bill (William). As does the Burntrap ending, which is clearly what's left of William's corpse walking around.

I don't think the Mimic was the plan, I think they were left scrambling with the mixed reception to Afton's return and retconned the Mimic in.

Edited by PhiSat on Nov 29th 2023 at 10:34:55 AM

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#5971: Nov 29th 2023 at 10:18:26 PM

The shrine really doesn't point to Williams ghost. The stuff in the post-it room shows something that seems to start out with a very robotic way of thinking before steadily becoming smarter and more human-like.

This was clearly setting up a machine who was interested in the Afton family in some way. People thought it was suggesting Gregbot but then we got the real explaination once the Mimic was revealed.

Vanessa could still be an Afton now really. I don't think she is or was ever meant to be(I think the Bill thing was always just a symbolic call-back). But if she is, she would have been conceived before William died. William not being glitchtrap does not really change that.

Burntrap doesn't really go against the Mimic either. If the intent was a machine emulating William, then it makes sense it would make its own Springtrap form.

Most likely, the Mimic was always the intent it was just...shown to us really really badly.

Edited by Snoketrope on Nov 29th 2023 at 10:23:17 AM

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neoamon Mr from Planet Mobius S.T.C. (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
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#5972: Nov 30th 2023 at 6:21:22 AM

I am thinking that Burntrap is the Mimic using parts of Scraptrap's remains to mimic William Afton. So they could say it is Afton's body parts but his soul is still in Ultimate Custom Night.

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#5973: Nov 30th 2023 at 7:10:46 AM

[Burntrap is the Mimic using parts of Scraptrap's remains to mimic William Afton. So they could say it is Afton's body part]

But... why?

PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#5974: Nov 30th 2023 at 8:01:45 AM

But why would the Mimic make its own Springtrap? Why use what's clearly Afton's remains that leave it barely able to pose a threat when it can use a more efficient body (and does in Ruin)? If the Mimic was able to move around freely before, how was it later trapped by the VANNI network?

The digital ghost theory makes more sense with what we saw in Help Wanted, Special Delivery, and Security Breach. Even the post-it room could be attributed to Afton's ghost/digital consciousness not knowing what it was at first but slowly remembering who it was and seeing an opportunity to escape the VR game and kill more people. I think Vanessa's therapy sessions in particular, which very clearly spell out that William Afton is tormenting/possessing her (with her using the allegory of an abusive father), make no sense if the Mimic was behind the whole thing. I don't think she's actually an Afton, but William could have made her believe he was or again, she could have been using an allegory knowing no therapist was going to believe she was being attacked by a malignant spirit. The Mimic only comes up in Ruin, and even then only at the end, making me think it's a pretty clear Retcon after the poor reaction to Afton coming back and doing nothing threatening.

Gregory was not shown to have any particular tech savvy minus being able to use the Simon Says color buttons to repair Freddy (that process is mostly automated), use jumper cables, and drive a car. Even in Ruin he doesn't do anything particularly tech-heavy minus using a radio. Certainly nothing in the "master hacker" realm. We don't know who made the VANNI network, but my guess is it was Vanessa who set it up (who is established as being a master hacker herself and able to tamper with the animatronics).

Edited by PhiSat on Nov 30th 2023 at 9:03:00 AM

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neoamon Mr from Planet Mobius S.T.C. (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
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#5975: Nov 30th 2023 at 8:45:01 AM

I was suggesting it as an idea to explain Burntrap if William is gone for good.

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