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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#176: Aug 30th 2017 at 5:46:27 AM

Damn you! I had forgotten overnight!

"I was
on this
ve-ry
famous
teeeeeeeeeeevee showww..."

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
thatindiantroper Since: Feb, 2015
#177: Aug 30th 2017 at 6:02:29 AM

Calling it now, it's going to turn out that the horse girl isn't his daughter at all.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#178: Aug 30th 2017 at 6:13:19 AM

I think Bojack having missed out on her whole life plus having still managed to screw her up by proxy by passing along his depression would be the richer seam of drama here, rather than him thinking he has a daughter only to realize he actually doesn't. But I could be wrong.

Pannic Since: Jul, 2009
#179: Aug 30th 2017 at 9:25:55 PM

Reviews are starting to trickle in for the fourth season. With the exception of one review that says it takes until the second half to pick up, they're very positive.

edited 30th Aug '17 9:26:05 PM by Pannic

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#180: Aug 30th 2017 at 9:34:07 PM

Ok so in preparation for Season 4 I got off my ass and finally finished all of season 2 today (I was at episode 7 but rewatched it because I felt it would make for a better experience, since it'd been a long time and there might have been stuff I forgot).

I thought the season was pretty good overall but it wasn't hitting me in the same way season 1 did, but I think part of that is probably how I had already seen like half the season so the buildup wasn't quite working the way it should have been.

...and then I got to episode 11. Fuck I got so uncomfortable when I thought Penny and Bojack had actually done it, thank god it didn't turn out that way, but it's exactly that kind of deep discomfort showing people's deep flaws that made me love this show. Not to mention that deeply resonant speech Charlotte made about how no matter where you are you won't escape yourself or your flaws. THAT'S Bojack.

Overall I would say season 1 hit me harder but this was still really good.

I'll finish season 3 soon.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#181: Sep 4th 2017 at 9:03:36 PM

Done with Season 3.

Dude...fuck. I guess I thought in some way season 2 just wasn't depressing enough and then we got this. I kinda had an idea something was gonna happen to Sarah Lynn so that dampened the impact, but this was still really well-executed. That flashback in the beginning of the last episode broke my heartt.

Man that was some great TV.

This was already one of my top favorite shows ever and it hasn't disappointed and lived up to everything I thought it would be.

Looks like this season will be more about Bojack's family, what with his daughter and his mother being in the trailer after all.

edited 4th Sep '17 9:07:31 PM by Draghinazzo

Pachylad (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#182: Sep 4th 2017 at 11:20:54 PM

On (spoilering this since mentioning it somewhat spoils Season 3, also Draghinazzo's talking about) Sarah Lynn, don't mind me as I toot my horn a bit and copy my comment in reply to someone else who considered it jarring to hear the voice of Mabel Pines / Louise Belcher in a nihlistic party girl

Honestly I feel like Sarah Lynn was just the logical conclusion of your typical Schaal archetype without the usual pesky family bonds holding her back (her grunkle and bro in GF and generally the other Belchers in BB) - she has got the craziness of both Mabel and Louise (just cranked up to eleven) ... and here she has no reason (or outside authority force, which Bojack definitely is not) to rein in her more (self-)destructive tendencies.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#183: Sep 4th 2017 at 11:31:53 PM

I hadn't realized she was Mabel until I read the TVT page lol. It does come across as pretty jarring once you notice that.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#184: Sep 5th 2017 at 4:41:20 AM

The same voice actress was God in Axe Cop.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#185: Sep 5th 2017 at 5:12:53 AM

Now that you guys mention it, it does rather seem like Sarah Lynn is basically what a Schaal character would be like if she grew up with people who ignored or enabled her self-destructive traits as opposed to keeping them in check. Heck, maybe Sarah Lynn was more like Mabel or Louise before she starred in Horsin' Around.

edited 5th Sep '17 5:13:20 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Pachylad (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#186: Sep 5th 2017 at 6:56:25 AM

[up] The flashback with her mother way back in the third episode implies she probably never had a "life before Horsin' Around (at the very least she must have been tossed around the showbiz... to say nothing of the trauma her bear stepfather very likely did on her :( ) though up until Bojack giving her the script in 2007 she does straddle the line of 'wild girl but still has some form of moral compass/grounding in life' that Mabel and Louise are/were on.

Actually, come to think of it, the character she most reminds me of in this case would be Clay Puppington, someone else who grew up with a hard and traumatic childhood, almost had a chance to 'be normal' despite it all only to have that cruelly yanked away thanks to a chance encounter (in Clay's case being introduced to alcohol by his future-wife Bloberta)

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#187: Sep 5th 2017 at 6:34:23 PM

She's the kind of repressed teenage girl who never had the proper authority or self-respect to walk away when the parties got too much. Instead of finding something more meaningful in all the drugs and shallow materialism, she found that people actually paid attention to her if she did the kind of crazy stunts people expected of her, and she was having fun anyway, so it grew into the perfect cycle. And deep down, she always admired the little perfections of architecture and construction nobody else would notice, and somewhere along the way she woke up to find she was slowly dying inside.

She's a truly tragic character and as much as Bojack was the straw that broke the horse's back, her sobriety wasn't going to last. At least, not without proper help.

Poor thing, sometimes you can really here the broken little girl in her performance, especially in her last scene.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#188: Sep 5th 2017 at 7:15:32 PM

[up]

Poor thing, sometimes you can really here the broken little girl in her performance, especially in her last scene.

What makes it extra sad is that this might have very well been what won her the Oscar. Her misery gave her performance that extra "oomph". Not so different to the way Bojack's misery is what made him right for the role of Secretariat. It would be yet another reason she found no satisfaction in winning the Oscar.

Disgusted, but not surprised
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#189: Sep 5th 2017 at 7:23:48 PM

What are you doing here?

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#190: Sep 5th 2017 at 8:07:23 PM

That last one to Dianne in season 3 was perfect in its dejection.

It's funny the fanbase is self-aware enough that the common response to the s4 trailer is "I'm so hyped to be depressed!".

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#191: Sep 5th 2017 at 8:58:01 PM

It was this one that got me:

"Bojack...I don't like anything about me."

And that flashback in the beginning of the finale...I felt so awful.

edited 5th Sep '17 9:00:23 PM by Draghinazzo

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#192: Sep 5th 2017 at 9:00:51 PM

Welcome to the club, pal.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
BagofMagicFood Since: Jan, 2001
#193: Sep 5th 2017 at 9:04:08 PM

Watching that after watching a lot of Death Note made me think, "Oh no, Misa's developing self-awareness!"

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#194: Sep 5th 2017 at 9:11:26 PM

I remember reading something on Reddit about how so far, episode 11 of each season has revolved around Bojack's longing for family, to be a dad.

Season 1, episode 11: a drug trip in which he imagines a life with Charlotte and a daughter Harper, with an emphasis on Harper. The episode even ends with the sound of his dream daughter's giggling.

Season 2, episode 11: He tries to ingratiate himself into Charlotte's family as something of an uncle or surrogate father figure. It all goes to shit when Charlotte dashes his delusion. Then things really go to hell when Penny — whom he had tried to make into a surrogate daughter figure — makes a romantic advance, and he's too damn immature to resist.

Season 3, episode 11: In a really messed up and toxic way, Bojack was the closest thing to a real dad Sarah Lynn ever had, and she was the closest thing he ever had to a daughter. What happens to her in the end is the culmination of a lifetime of mistakes along with Bojack's utter failure to be a decent father figure. And yet, he still managed to give her a moment of peace at the very end — at least she passed away in a place she loved, curled up in the arms of someone she loved (and who in his own messed up way loved her) right after realizing (too late) what she really wanted.

Given The Reveal at the end of season 3, I wonder if Season 4, episode 11 will continue this theme.

Disgusted, but not surprised
BagofMagicFood Since: Jan, 2001
#195: Sep 5th 2017 at 9:32:03 PM

Now I wonder if Sarah Lynn thinks of Diane as "Asian Daria" because Kristen Schaal has been trying to do Quinn's voice this whole time

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#196: Sep 5th 2017 at 9:34:13 PM

I think the season will be about Bojack's family in a more direct sense. We know about the daughter already, but there was also him seeing the horses running at the end, and we see his mother in the trailer too.

Pachylad (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#197: Sep 6th 2017 at 12:53:44 AM

[up] It is in fact straight up spoiled in some of the reviews that one of this season's plotlines will involve Bojack meeting with both his mom and daughter

FawfulCrump Since: Dec, 2010
#198: Sep 8th 2017 at 12:20:44 PM

Season 4 ep 6 nitpicky spoilers: I found it strange that BoJack's history with Tina the Bear wasn't really commented on. She's the former caretaker of his best friend, who died hating him. She's basically a living reminder of some of the worst mistakes and most emotionally trying times of BoJack's life. You'd think living under the same roof as her would cause some inner turmoil in BoJack, especially in an episode that's all about BoJack's inner turmoil!

edited 8th Sep '17 12:22:02 PM by FawfulCrump

BigK1337 Since: Jun, 2012
#199: Sep 8th 2017 at 3:03:10 PM

Okay four episodes in and, wow, the trailers really did lied a lot regarding different plot lines . . . well kind of.

I mean first they pulled a double fake out on the whole election plot. At first I thought it was going to be important for the season as hinted at previous season, only to basically drop it by having Mister Peanutbutter lose, only to bring it back via wacky sitcom gag, only to have Todd win the whole thing, only for him resigning immidiately and them the election happens again as though the episode never happened. . . . Jesus Christ all those subversions and abadon plot lines! And this is only the first episode.

Second the trailer makes it seem like Bojack's whereabouts will be a major plotline dragged out until the end of the season. It wasn't. The second episode reveals that he is in my homestate Michigan staying at his ol' family summer house, to which he destroys at the end and immidiately went back to California. Don't get me wrong the episode was pretty damn good with the flashbacks and character interaction, but that ending was very reminiscent to the ending of the season three premiere of Rick & Morty in that the writers fooled you to care about whats going on. So I guess season 4 is all about finding that Mulan Schezaun Sauce now. . . . well at least for the main plot at least, the flashback was fucking depressing and really explains a lot about Bojack's mom actions.

The Todd Episode actually fulfill my expectation as he did went through some crazy madcap misadventures. From helping Mr. Peanutbutter with his campaign to dating a starlet to help Princess Carolyn to helping Hollyhock get the DNA from Bojack tested to see if he is her biological fa- oh right, forgot this is the episodes she fully debuts in and based on her interaction with Todd really does show she share some of Bojack's traits. But in the end, the episode ended nicely with Todd coming to terms with his own asexuality and went to a Group Meet Up of people who has that same sexuality. Want to go off on how the episode basically symbolize how this relates to the life of somebody with such sexual preference; but frankly I don't have the time nor knowledge regarding the subject to explain, so instead I'll say this was a funny episode.

Fourth episode pull off two subversion namely in Bojack's relationship with Hollyhock and the decline of Diane and Mister Peanutbutter's marrage. For the former, Bojack really isn't trying at being a father to Hollyhock which is a far cry to the expectation we were guessing when the trailer hits. Hell, Hollyhock out right admitted to not wanting establish a father-daughter relationship with Bojack as she already have 8 dads (yeah, eight, at the same time) who cared for her and merely just use Bojack to search for her mother. Hilarity ensure with this episode. As for the latter, well, the trailers hint that Diane and Mister Peanutbutter will get into a fight due to the pressures of the election. They did. The results?. Well lets just say Gladstone Gander has something in common with his Uncle Scrooge . . . THEY HAD HATESEX!

You get it? Because Paul F. Thompkin is going to voice Gladstone in the new Ducktales show. And in the final Don Rosa Uncle Scrooge comic [[spoiler: Scrooge had sex with Goldie after a fight]. God do I love to over explain a joke.

Anyway point is the season is off to a hilarious start with all of its subversions . . . really going to make the drama that happens later on all the more depressing as usual. :(

So yeah can't wait to watch the next episode.

Pannic Since: Jul, 2009
#200: Sep 8th 2017 at 3:16:09 PM

The new season has a pretty huge shift in focus and dynamic, which I think might leave a few viewers feeling a little off-put. BoJack isn't interacting with the other main characters as much, instead pursuing a more isolated character arc.

It is, however, a profoundly strong character arc, and while the season can feel a little janky it still shows humor, creativity, and profound sadness. Episodes 2, 6, and the usual 11 are masterpieces of television. And in my opinion the last moment of the season was incredibly moving.


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