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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#2701: Aug 16th 2024 at 11:01:51 AM

I mean Loki is not much of a fighter really. He mostly uses his magic, which doesn't do much against the TVA. Meanwhile, Deadpool is an expert fighter and way more of a wild card then the TVA is used to fighting.

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#2702: Aug 16th 2024 at 11:04:52 AM

What I remember about Loki is that he was so weak that he was beaten by guys that even Deadpool can beat.

And yet Loki ends the series by becoming one of the most powerful entities in the entire MCU. Funny ol' world.

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#2703: Aug 16th 2024 at 11:05:36 AM

(mild spoiler) When Loki does get access to his magic in the show, he's pretty badass. But yeah, Deadpool is an immortal who's spent most of his life training in hand-to-hand combat (and guns). Loki is a trickster-sorcerer who likes to stab people in the back. Very different methodologies.

Also, the TVA is pretty good at apprehending Lokis given how many of them they've taken. But Deadpool brings the power of fourth-wall-breaking dance choreography, against which the forces of Thanos himself would helpless.

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Edited by Fighteer on Aug 16th 2024 at 2:07:03 PM

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dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#2704: Aug 16th 2024 at 11:06:16 AM

Loki got ambushed by TVA guys and taken into custody, just like Deadpool was at the start of D&W. When he fought against them when they didn't have the element of surprise he did a lot better again just like Deadpool.

Edited by dcutter2 on Aug 16th 2024 at 7:11:06 PM

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#2707: Aug 16th 2024 at 11:17:04 AM

Not to bust your joke, but the fun of Deadpool is that we can picture a crossover between him and just about anyone.

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king15 Have Faun Since: Mar, 2024
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#2708: Aug 16th 2024 at 11:18:06 AM

Deadpool and Green Lantern?

Edited by king15 on Aug 16th 2024 at 6:18:15 PM

Luisdalas Since: Sep, 2023
#2709: Aug 16th 2024 at 11:19:48 AM

Loki's strength varies between writers, sometimes he is class 100 and is only overshadowed by Thor.

Other times, he's not so different from a super-soldier.

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#2710: Aug 16th 2024 at 11:41:17 AM

I don't think it does very. Loki has never been portrayed as super strong. He's skilled and an alien but has never been super strong. His most famous MCU scene is being beaten by the Hulk and even as early as his second appearance Cap could go toe to toe with him. His danger comes from how crafty he uses his magic rather than how he strong he is. That has been very consistent.

Edited by Bullman on Aug 16th 2024 at 1:41:45 PM

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Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#2711: Aug 16th 2024 at 11:52:31 AM

Loki's Super-Strength would just be baked into his species. Frost Giants are superstrong so Loki would be so too. I'm not an avid comics reader, but what a little google-fu has multiple sources describing Loki as possessing - even if not as great as Thor - at least strength well in excess of what a human possesses. Although none of those online sources actually cite any specified instances of him using his strength, so take it or leave it.

Though yeah, no matter the continuity his mind has always been what makes him dangerous, regardless of what physical advantages he may, or may not, possess.

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#2712: Aug 16th 2024 at 11:56:17 AM

That makes some sense! (And thank you for the explanation!)

The name still seems a bit odd, given that—but perhaps it was applied before stuff was dumped there, and the place really was empty beforehand.

In Loki context, it's The Void at the End of Time. A point in time beyond the natural endpoint of all histories, which made it well suited to be made into a temporal junkyard.

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#2713: Aug 16th 2024 at 11:56:49 AM

Everybody has super strength in the comics and shows, at least compared to baseline humans. It comes for free with your starter package.

Edited by Fighteer on Aug 16th 2024 at 2:56:57 PM

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Luisdalas Since: Sep, 2023
#2714: Aug 16th 2024 at 1:34:08 PM

Loki in the TV series is basically a Badass Normal as far as physical stats are concerned.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#2715: Aug 16th 2024 at 1:39:08 PM

MCU Loki's basically a Squishy Wizard by Asgardian standards (well, tbh I've always seen him more as a squishy rogue type overall, but even so), which means he's strong by human standards, but bunch of humans can still take him in his a fistfight without having to deal with, say, the practical invulnerability or building shattering strength of a Thor or a Sif.

king15 Have Faun Since: Mar, 2024
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#2716: Aug 16th 2024 at 1:46:39 PM

He's a squishy wizard with the personality of a squishy rogue.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#2717: Aug 16th 2024 at 2:11:56 PM

I mean... Loki is a runt.

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#2718: Aug 16th 2024 at 2:12:41 PM

At the end of the day the most important fact is confirmed: both are equally puny God/Marvel Jesus before Hulk.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#2719: Aug 16th 2024 at 2:41:27 PM

He's a squishy wizard with the personality of a squishy rogue.

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It's just kinda weird. He's explicitly a wizard, but his magic mostly consists of turning invisible / slipping into the shadows and disguising himself, and he barely ever attacks with magic - instead, he perfers using knives and daggers with sneak attacks.

Also, the one time he went into battle with an actual wizard, he got out-magicked immediately.

He's totally a rogue who knows some illusion magic. Don't tell him that, though

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 16th 2024 at 2:42:44 AM

Luisdalas Since: Sep, 2023
#2720: Aug 16th 2024 at 2:44:42 PM

"MCU Loki's basically a Squishy Wizard by Asgardian standards"

The Asgardians were one-shotted by Captain America, so he's definitely stronger than the average Mook.

Anyway, Deadpool would have a chance to beat Loki in a physical fight.

Wolverine, Deadpool, and Loki should be on the level of a super-soldier in the physical realm.

[up]But yes, calling Loki a Squishy wizard would be an insult to magical characters, Loki is closer to being a Master of None..

Edited by Luisdalas on Aug 16th 2024 at 2:52:43 AM

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#2721: Aug 16th 2024 at 2:56:16 PM

The core problem with having Deadpool fight other primary MCU characters is that, well, Deadpool is very stabby. It's hard for him to have a "real" fight with anyone who isn't either invulnerable (like Colossus, hence his inclusion in the first film as someone who can No-Sell DP's attacks) or able to regenerate (like Wolverine).

If he enters the ring with Loki or Steve Rogers, his win means no more Loki or Steve Rogers. It's hard to keep a character going when they have to be strained out of the carpet.

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dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#2722: Aug 16th 2024 at 3:00:33 PM

If he enters the ring with Loki or especially Steve Rogers he's not getting out.

Plus the writers will just suddenly have something turn up before the coup de grace or have Deadpool enough awareness that he won't kill other main characters.

A writer's options are endless.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#2723: Aug 16th 2024 at 3:03:26 PM

It's hard for him to have a "real" fight with anyone who isn't either invulnerable (like Colossus, hence his inclusion in the first film as someone who can No-Sell DP's attacks) or able to regenerate (like Wolverine).

Or a disposable multiverse variant, a la the alternate Avengers in Dr. Strange.

We might be seeing something like that in Secret War.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 16th 2024 at 3:03:58 AM

Luisdalas Since: Sep, 2023
#2724: Aug 16th 2024 at 3:03:57 PM

Loki in the Marvel cinematic Multiverse is so weak that Deadpool should have no problem beating him.

In the physical realm, even Black Widow ended up beating a variant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iUPe1Z6QUY

Edited by Luisdalas on Aug 16th 2024 at 3:05:23 AM

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