Tekken 7

You’d think they’d catch on to the fact it doesn’t work.

To be fair, Heihachi tried shooting Jin and all that did was turn him into another devil.

They've started sticking to volcanoes when they get serious about it. Mostly seems to work, cloning not withstanding.

I believe there was an interview years ago (I think it was back during the Tag 2 days) where Harada said that he didn’t want to add Wing Chun to the game because Ip Man once said that he didn’t want the Japanese learning it, and so thought it was disrespectful to do so. Not quite sure what changed his mind now. Possibly Murray convinced him to do it?

As far as being implemented in video games... I’m fairly certain Leroy is the first character who is a straight up Wing Chun practitioner; Kung Lao uses some Wing Chun moves in MKX and 11, that much I know, but that isn’t his primary fighting style. I remember reading in another forum that Chun Li has shades of Wing Chun in her movements and some of her attacks, but I’ve never actually played SF enough to confirm it for myself.

Still, it’s nice to see the martial art I practice to be represented like this in a fighting game. I’m having a ton of fun with him, too. Leroy’s damage output is nuts, and the input commands for his combos are amazingly simple for the amount of damage they inflict.

EDIT: So instead of an interview, turns out it was a Twitter question; here's the Twitter link back in 2011 where Harada explains why he hadn't included Wing Chun in the game back then. So it's possible that since Michael Murray was promoted to being the main producer for the franchise back in April, he's the one who pushed to have Wing Chun included in the game.

Edited by ITNW1989 on Dec 10th 2019 at 7:30:47 AM

Huh well that’s a reason

Hey man, thanks a lot. I don't know how you find an 8 years old tweet, but I really really appreciate. For the longest time, I could never have found that statement.

If you wanna get technical, Wing Chun was one of the styles 'represented' in Mortal Kombat: Deception and Armageddon, except it was very much In Name Only since it, like all the other styles, was just some random stance that doesn't match up with the actual fighting style, and I wouldn't be surprised if the stance itself had nothing to do with Wing Chun and they just slapped the name on because it sounds 'authentic'. You know how it is with late 3D-era MK. :V

Yea, not the best of times when it came to MK but I still thought Deception was a fun game.

Edited by agent-trunks on Dec 10th 2019 at 11:04:52 AM

Anyone feel like there is a lot of alternate company equivalents to Capcom characters in Tekken now?

Ganryu = E. Honda

Fakhumram = Sagat

Lili = Karin

Katarina = Laura

Claudio = Rose

Eliza = Morrigan

Really, I thought people were already putting the 2 together for a while now?

If you can think of a Tekken character chances you can find an appropriate rival for them.

Which is why I can't get over how random the matchups were back in SFXT.

I would say I'm still waiting for that Tekken X Street Fighter, but I doubt anyone cares anymore.

Edited by agent-trunks on Dec 11th 2019 at 11:40:56 AM

After playing nearly an entire day online with Leroy, I can safely say that he is most absolutely going to get the nerf hammer slammed into him like one of his hellsweeps come 3.2. His overall damage output, I imagine, is probably going to get nerfed, as well as quite a number of frame adjustments to his moves, most specifically his orbital heel, as well as his d1+2, though that one is highly steppable. Honestly I just find it crazy how lenient every single one of his parries are, maybe excepting db 1+2, which has a tighter window.

Edited by ITNW1989 on Dec 12th 2019 at 12:28:00 PM

to be fair when Sf x Tekken happened the only prominent SF characters that Tekken had very clearly mugged for the dynamic was Lillie and Asuka /IE Not Karin and Not Sakura

I'd argue Zafina is more the Rose analogue then Claudio whose more of a straight rip off a Quincy from Bleach

How is he like a Quincy?

Watch Claudio's Rage Art & google a Quincy.

x3

I don't play Tekken enough, but shouldn't he get nerf because of a tournament & not online play?

My main issue with Leroy is that he has an extremely long list of strengths while his weaknesses are paltry in comparison; he's basically a "best of" character with some of the best moves in the game (his hellsweep and orbital are among the best, for example). For such a hard-hitting character with excellent strings, his execution is hilariously simple in comparison, with very forgiving strings that have really good to insane tracking (his hellsweep, his cane, his 1+2, 1+2, 1 string), are safe on block (d+1+2, d/f+1, b+4, f,F+1+2, his orbital), or very fast (he's got quite a number of 11-12f CH launchers). Compare him to, say, Akuma, who can hit extremely hard with his combos, but requires a lot of practice to really make use of. Or in the other direction, we have Josie, whose execution is pretty simple and easy to pull off, but in return doesn't have the best damage output. Leroy is the best of both worlds in ease of execution and damage output. On the other hand, his low game from neutral is pretty weak (his best low is i14 that's -12 on block), he falls off at about range 4, and his throws are all 1+2 command. Not quite enough to make up for his strengths.

Edited by ITNW1989 on Dec 12th 2019 at 12:44:55 PM

Oh, that does sound really bad, but given how incredibly well-received Leeroy is it does make sense. Especially since he's DLC.

Edited by agent-trunks on Dec 13th 2019 at 11:04:40 AM

Starting a character off strong and than toning them down tends to be easier than making a weak character strong, anyway.

Is it now?

Every fighting game I was committed to was easy to know which needed to get nerf & buff.

I guess that's different when it comes to developing.

Morrigan of Darkstalkers fame almost got in over Gouki.

Which would of been rad.

Morrigan in Tekken's graphic would've been nice.

I don't know if she would be a better choice than Akuma though.

Tekken 7 Dev Diary Focuses on Tekken’s New Original Characters Leroy Smith and Fahkumram

"Given that Leroy is African American, many fans in that community worried on social media that we, as Japanese people, might not deliver when it comes to music. They also said they hoped Leroy would be represented by rap music"

I don't feel like you're getting a black character wrong if you don't give him a rap theme song. Heck, that feels like a stereotype. But that's... apparently what the community wanted?

I'm more used to black characters from Japanese pop culture being big-lipped, muscular, and having a reckless/criminal/Scary Black Man theme to their backstory/personality. See Dutch from Black Lagoon, Udai Taxim from Cowboy Bebop, Sazh from Final Fantasy XIII, Bob Makihara from Tenjou Tenge, Mr. Popo from Dragonball, Raikage from Naruto, Black Baron from Mad World. I guess Kaname Tousen from Bleach and maybe Casca from Berserk would be counter examples.

It's just funny to hear a developer go "we wanted to be true to the African American community by including rap music." In Leroy's case it works but I'd fear that sort of perspective anywhere else.

Leroy's theme song is fucking trash outside a decent instrumental and a few catchy lines (the aforementioned ooh you bout to get this work)

But I get the spirit behind it. I can pretty safely say he's in a very tiny group of cool Japanese created black characters alongside Eddy Gordo, Raven, and

Uh

Master Raven

Would Bruce fall into that category?

Now that I think about it, yeah, Tekken's black characters are pretty decent compared to other Japanese made fighting games.

I just wish they didn't make Leroy so overpowered. I feel so dirty playing him, despite me absolutely loving his playstyle, and none of the nerfs he received in 3.20 even changed anything significant outside of his cane, orbital and damage reductions. Evo was so overpopulated by Leroy mains it just made it hard to watch.

Personaly think he's really boring. The team must agree since they ditched him.

Yeah, a second round of nerfs is definitely overdue at this point.

Or he could just be banned from tournaments until further notice.

No idea how credible this source is though, so please take it with a grain of salt (even if it's a likely news)

UNIST and UNICLR are completely different fighting games. That particular FGC is just poking fun at Leroy being absolutely busted. And even if they ban him from their own local tournaments, that'll just make whatever tournament they hold ineligible for the TWT.