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SpongeGuy11 Since: Jun, 2018
#4601: Sep 24th 2022 at 11:14:11 AM

So, anyone think Omnitraxaus Prime kinda feels like an afterthought among the MHC? I mean aside from Math Magic, he never really had many solo moments only appearing when lumped in with MHC. More weird given Hekapoo and Rhombulus had far more solo moments.

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#4602: Sep 24th 2022 at 11:15:51 AM

not as much an afterthought as a large character, complicated character they probably found difficult to use

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Bornstellar Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#4603: Sep 24th 2022 at 11:18:34 AM

Omnitraxus would logically be too OP, so they probably didn't want to deal with him too much and get into a writing issue.

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#4604: Sep 24th 2022 at 11:25:28 AM

Dude is literally a universe personified or something

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McCrae Since: Nov, 2019
#4605: Sep 25th 2022 at 11:53:25 AM

How could've Moon redeemed early if there wasn't any magic realm incident or starting the events of Cleaved and how Star could've been a better character if had gotten more karma for her flaws and mistakes and called out on it,along with changing for the better and reflecting on her own problems. I know Star is back in Mewni,but Moon is still a jerk and Star just became more of one as well.

McCrae Since: Nov, 2019
#4606: Sep 25th 2022 at 12:07:44 PM

I think missed oppertunities that would've made the later seasons better is: -Have Hekapoo turn against Moon and the MHC and admit that Star and Marco are better friends than they are and she resented ever being friends/partners with Moon in the first place due to her arrogance and ideals. Then,Hekapoo would side with Star and help her stand up against her mother to prove Eclipsa's innocence and repaired the monster-mewman relationship. Since Hekapoo is a cool character and the most well-liked and nicest of the Magic High Commission.

-Reveal who forced Moon into becoming queen at a young age and made her such a pompous,stuck-up,and overbearing queen and a horrible mother to Star after her own mother,Comet's death.

-Have Star summon the ghost of Comet with Jackie's help to haunt Moon and make her realize the error of her ways.

-Have Marco point out Star's problems when she ended up making things worse for not only him,but for everyone,due to her selfishness,stubborness,incompetence,and reckless,destructive behavior.

-Have Star chose to spend a few more months on Earth,so her experience would've humbled and changed her a lot more,since Star almost never learned anything from her own experience on Earth in the later seasons and still the same.

-Make Star give Moon a epic reason-you-suck speech(like she did in the Tavern at the End of The Multiverse) and stand up to her like she did in Return to Mewni and Starcrushed,except this time it's a more longer and epic rant and she actually succeeds without being stopped.

-Have Eclipsa tell Moon about her relationship with Solaria,since Solaria's treatment and abuse of Eclipsa despite loving her reminded me of how Moon mistreated Star ever since her birth. This would've made Moon realize what a jerk she was.

-Show how Toffee actually murdered Comet

-Make more backstory flashback episodes

-Have the Butterflies interact with the Diazes.

-Show what made Moon hire Rhombulous to recrystalize Globgor,team up with Mina,and started a coup against Eclipsa for making her lost in the magic dimension.

-Have an episode where Star creates an evil twin of herself(who is an embodiment of all of Star's negative traits taken up to eleven and being far more chaotic and destructive than Star is.) This would've made Star realized her own flaws and problems upon seeing most of herself and the terrible acts her evil twin had displayed,as well as making everyone mad and wanting to kill Star through a angry mob,getting Star framed for it.

-Don't use too many writers

-Improve the Animation by producing it on a larger animation budget and closer to Mercury Filmworks' work on Season 1.

McCrae Since: Nov, 2019
#4607: Sep 25th 2022 at 12:11:33 PM

As much as I like Grey Delisle's work,why does she put too much force and make Moon sound too realistically angry,dramatic,hateful,boring,mean-spirited,and intense at times and she even pulled out amazingly bad performances(He Can Really Act) as Moon in some episodes like Pizza Party and Tough Love.

Edited by McCrae on Sep 25th 2022 at 8:52:34 AM

SpongeGuy11 Since: Jun, 2018
#4608: Sep 25th 2022 at 12:23:19 PM

[up][up]Again, show confirmed Comet's death is why Moon became so uptight as a queen and strict given how young she was when being queen.

And Hekapoo being nicest of the MHC is a terrible idea even in canon. Like come on, she had ZERO remorse at ruining Meteora's life from her very infancy (even Rhombulus was guilty about it).

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#4609: Sep 25th 2022 at 1:12:53 PM

Yeah a better angle would be her not being the "nicest" of the three, but instead the most moral, either consistently or through Character Development. Even then that might still be a tough sell.

McCrae Since: Nov, 2019
#4610: Sep 25th 2022 at 1:28:48 PM

How Star's character could've been portrayed if she didn't remain a dumb,selfish,irresponsible,ignorant,and immature reckless jerk throughout the series and gotten more meaner,egotistical,jealous,and selfish as the series progressed,before finally leveling off with the destruction of magic in the finale. At least Rigby from Regular Show actually did realize what a jerk he was,even towards his friend,Mordecai for sabotaging his chance to go to college and lying to him and redeemed and matured himself and got back into high school to get a diploma. But Daron and the crew hardly gave Star any development and kept her as a reckless Karma Houdini protagonist throughout the series without hardly any consequences for her actions. As much Star has a point against her mother,she should've just slapped her and gave her a epic Reason You Suck Speech for how much of a failure she is and being a terrible mom. I don't know why the writers made Star and Moon so despicable and irredeemable as the series went on,with Moon becoming more overbearing,racist,and meaner and Star becoming more selfish,reckless,ignorant,mean,rude,and spoiled.

Edited by McCrae on Sep 25th 2022 at 2:12:32 AM

McCrae Since: Nov, 2019
#4611: Sep 25th 2022 at 1:30:13 PM
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SpongeGuy11 Since: Jun, 2018
#4612: Sep 25th 2022 at 3:22:11 PM

[up]Okay we get it, you think Star and Moon are jerks who regress in character development, no need to milk the cow over and over. And come on gotta admit, the Moon being a villain twist in Pizza Party was super pointless with poor foreshadowing on it (like if you saw Cornonation, but not the episodes after it, would you believe Moon was plotting something against Eclipsa).

Anyway, anyone feel the decision to make Hekapoo the good one among the MHC was a bad call? I mean come on, she has the least amount of remorse for how things went with the monster racism and ruining Meteora's life. Compared to Rhombulus at least feeling a bit guilty when confessing in Butterfly Trap and Omnitraxaus Prime did show some guilt on monsters being persecuted in the Magic Book of Spells tie in book.

Comes off like they only made Hekapoo the good one in the last minute purely cause she's popular. Even weirder is Marco still somehow hangs out with her even after finding out she helped ruin Meteora's life.

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#4613: Sep 25th 2022 at 4:06:49 PM

> Comes off like they only made Hekapoo the good one in the last minute purely cause she's popular. Even weirder is Marco still somehow hangs out with her even after finding out she helped ruin Meteora's life.

To be perfectly honest I can sort of excuse Marco doing that because he's not connected to the royal family in the same way Star is,but its still pretty weird,a lot of later decisions in this show do seem to run into the mindset pf "the writers don't see the issue the viewers do either because they don't care or are oblivious to it"

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McCrae Since: Nov, 2019
#4614: Sep 25th 2022 at 6:49:55 PM
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#4615: Sep 25th 2022 at 10:39:15 PM
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#4616: Sep 25th 2022 at 11:09:35 PM

Dude, chill. You're turning into an imposter with the amount of venting you're doing.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#4617: Sep 26th 2022 at 5:57:50 AM

[up] Yeah, I get that people feel things could have been resolved or explained better at the end of the day, but I don't really see how venting and double-posting will accomplish much. So let's leave it at that before mods come in and ban people.

(That said, I wouldn't be opposed to a Disney+ original movie that irons some stuff out.)

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Sep 26th 2022 at 8:58:10 AM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#4618: Sep 26th 2022 at 6:18:19 AM

It was very clear that they were setting up Rhombulus to be the one who turns on the group, at least to me. Like, the meteora reveal happens because he's tired of keeping a secret and thinks they all went too far, but that doesn't seem to go anywhere.

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#4619: Sep 26th 2022 at 6:50:27 AM

Heh,trial by box is an interesting concept,what the hell is that thing anyway?

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#4620: Sep 26th 2022 at 7:13:37 AM

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McCrae Since: Nov, 2019
#4621: Oct 1st 2022 at 3:36:36 PM

If the series did return with a Disney+ movie or fifth season,how would Star Butterfly(and her mother, Moon) characters would be redeemed,reflecting on their own flaws and actions,address and point out their problems to the viewers(Deconstruction,Took A Level In Kindness, and Jerkass Realization),and changing for the better since they both weren't handled in the series very well due to the change in writing in Seasons 3-4 and focus on shipping later on?

Bornstellar Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#4622: Oct 1st 2022 at 3:45:04 PM

I don't think Star would need a redemption of any sort. The show itself never framed her actions as being in the wrong. Fans say she committed a great crime, but the show and the creators don't see it that way, especially since they don't obviously consider the end of magic a sort of "genocide" (a thing that I truly think is just Fan Wank that is mostly taken as fact by a lot of the shows critics in order to have more things to criticize).

Though I could see her getting some grief from Tom and Marco's parents, since both disliked Star and the framing of the dislike is not entirely seen as wrong.

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#4623: Oct 1st 2022 at 4:19:50 PM

The show made it clear that all inherently magical beings were going to die as a result of Star's actions, and we even see the corpses of the Magic High Commission (bar Hekapoo, who acknowledged she was going to die, too). Even if all the monsters "merely" dependent on magic all managed to survive, that's still an immeasurable number of deaths across an immeasurable number of universes. Star knew all that would happen, and she did it regardless. That's genocide.

Edited by badtothebaritone on Oct 1st 2022 at 6:21:19 AM

Bornstellar Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#4624: Oct 1st 2022 at 5:12:41 PM

I mean Ponyhead still floats, and she's from Mewni. And when you watch the show, it really doesn't treat the end of magic(which frankly seems to just be Glossaryck's magic, though let's be real, the show's worldbuilding is kind of whack since it more or less started out as a parody of magical princesses) as being genocide. Like it just doesn't. And even the AMA on Reddit indicated that the writers just never saw the thing as being genocide. And since the creators never saw it as genocide, I think its safe to say that it wasn't genocide. The way I see it, much of the genocide accusations came from people trying to draw the show to its logical conclusions. But the show really doesn't operate all that much on logic. Logically, Star would have been arrested several times over in Season 1 and 2 for murder and property damage, but she isn't. Because the show doesn't operate on those levels. Marco literally gets stabbed in what is one of the most blatant acts of lethal violence, but nothing even happens from that. I guess you could say that one of the flaws of the show is that it tried to be this serious adventure-fantasy, but it never really leaves it comedic roots and so the show has these moments were things are just a living constant Mood Whiplash. Like, even when Omni and Rhombi die, that scene is treated humorously with the moose guy eating away as if nothing happened.

I mean even assuming for a moment if the genocide stuff was followed up in the show, at most all that would occur is someone saying that Star did that, and then she would shrug her shoulders and move on, with the accuser just giving her a mean comment and an evil eye. Something that Marco's parents did for rightly calling out Star on having essentially taken their son away from them. Hell, Marco leaving Mewni after the "movie" is treated as this big tragic goodbye, but then it's later made fun of when he comes back. As I've said before, the show is less drama oriented then Amphibia, which people criticize for not being drama oriented enough.

McCrae Since: Nov, 2019
#4625: Oct 1st 2022 at 6:00:01 PM
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