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And while Goddesses engage in creepy possession shenanigans, at least they don't seem to be going around eating souls.
Also, something I want to clarify about the whole Stigma thing, a lot of people seemed to act like that was just the goddesses, but we saw in the flashbacks silhouettes of giants and fairies.
Which really just goes along with the point of no one really thinking much of humanity.
Edited by LSBK on Nov 13th 2018 at 4:12:37 AM
Mind control is often put up pretty high on the list of terrible imaginary crimes, likely because it's more plausible than eating someone's soul. We don't even know what that means in this series. Does it mean complete cessation of existence forever? Does the soul get freed when the demon dies? Does the demon snack on the soul energy and then whatever constitutes the ego goes on to the afterlife? It's really vague.
If I had to give a guess as to the political situation, I would say that before the big angel alliance got underway neither side really paid much attention to humans or the other smaller races. Like the battles would probably have some collateral damage because neither one really cared about those losers while demons would occasionally snack on them as well, which made them the greater of two evils as far as the other races were concerned. But it was probably rather impersonal? Hence a reaction of 'wait, why are you guys mad at us anyway? It's not like we specifically targeted you!'
Edited by Arha on Nov 13th 2018 at 4:05:44 AM
I feel like they've been pretty upfront on a soul being gone once it's eaten. They haven't come out and said it, but the way all the characters (including the demons themselves) react to it makes it a pretty safe bet that there's no coming back from it.
Edit: Actually, it was said outright, with Melascula's little speech about the difference between they body dying and the soul dying.
Edited by LSBK on Nov 13th 2018 at 2:00:51 PM
Soul Eating is pretty much as close to cessation of existence as it gets. That's why Elaine was so horrified when it seemed like Ban's soul was eaten.
And at least Goddess possession requires consent. Though it's Questionable Consent sometimes. Sariel made his offer when his former host was on the brink of death due to illness.
It probably doesn't help that humans have to work a lot harder to become powerful in this setting, and even the strongest humans can't really compare to the strongest members of other races. Take Excalibur — a holy blade empowered by the souls of countless human heroes — trembling in fear before Cusack.
Edited by M84 on Nov 13th 2018 at 6:11:34 PM
I was referring to mind control, not possession. Like what Ludy is doing to the knights right now. I mean, the author did just make a point of noting that Elizabeth almost certainly has that ability but would never use it. We're not supposed to be okay with that.
No we're not. But if the choices presented were "being mind-controlled by an asshole angel" vs. "having my soul eaten by an asshole demon"...well, I can see why the humans would have somewhat less of a problem with the former.
It's pretty obvious we're not supposed to be taking Ludociel's side. He's pretty much directly responsible for the conflict escalating to the point it has — he goaded Mael into becoming a vicious demonslayer and he murdered a bunch of captive demon civilians.
Edited by M84 on Nov 13th 2018 at 6:41:37 PM
I thought the pride thing also applied to Mael? Pretty sure Ludo mentioned something like that.
Heh random thought but does any of us here have the slightest interest in ever watching that sky island movie?
Mhm. But my position has always been that everyone is an asshole, not that demons are nice or even that everyone is equally to blame.
Not a bit. I can barely maintain interest in the main story. I don't really want to waste an hour or so of my life on a movie.
From what I heard, the movie doesn't have much of a story to begin with.
Typical identical stranger shenanigans, the hero gets locked up for a bit due to misunderstandings, movie villain squad comes in, & everyone has their 2-minutes of gorgeously animated fight moments (which you can easily just watch on Youtube ).
Though as I recall the movie didn't do well at the box-office anyway so even the fans back there hold similar opinion.
Edited by slimcoder on Nov 13th 2018 at 3:09:54 AM
What the heck is Sky Islands movie
There are a lot of flaws to this manga now. Escanor is one of the absolute worst and this fight just keeps driving it home
The Seven Sins movie that came out a couple months ago takes place on this island in the sky inhabited by people with wings (two of which look exactly like Mel & Liz for whatever reason) that ends up getting invaded by the 6 Black Knights, another elite group of demons separate from the 10 Commandments.
Soul getting eaten result in complete cessation of existence. You can't even get reincarnated. That was stated outright. So yeah, pretty evil.
And really, the demons been in a turbo-asshole mode ever since their release, so why would it be surprising that a modern human would side with the angels.
Also, yeah, I get the distinct impression that other races don't have low opinion of humans, which isn't surprising since pretty much every time a non-human backstory involves humans, it always ends up with humans backstabbing them. They're like shifty little rats of Britania.
So that's why they mentioned something about this group of demons as strong as the ten commandments and then never talk about them again.
The weird thing is Iím pretty sure the movieís not even canon so that little mention of them in the manga was completely unnecessary.
Like Iím not sure itís placement on the timeline but considering Escanorís in it meaning it takes place after the Commandments invasion, no way anyoneís had the time for a little side adventure to find the perfect gift for Batraís birthday.
Edited by slimcoder on Nov 13th 2018 at 5:54:27 AM
> There are a lot of flaws to this manga now. Escanor is one of the absolute worst and this fight just keeps driving it home
More like one of the best things honestly.
Except the backstabbing Three Thousand Years ago was the direct result of the Giants, Fairies, and Goddesses slaughtering a harmless village first. So the humans worked with the Demon Clan for the convenience of getting revenge.
And some of the Fairies save for their King knew about all the Civillian Demon Hostages being held and ready to go boom!
A big part of the problems in the series is the direct result of Cognitive Bias. Demons are taught everyone hates them so they should respond accordingly, which Zeldris even points out when recruiting Dolor because the Giants originally treated Dolor as a reject for being huge and blue so he had to embrace their Social Darwinist mentality to the point he joined the Demon Clan because it had been so unhealthily ingrained into him.
Derriere even started realizing this herself which is why they weren't going back to the Demon Clan.
Plus what we have seen definitely shows Armies Are Evil i the case of the Demon Clan as its their military that does all the shitty atuff.
Totally disagree. He's just one big ball of tryhard wannabe badass who's not entertaining and keeps diffusing any level of tension.
It's fucking obnoxious that this overpowered borderline-pedophile keeps destroying any level of threat with the villains.
Merlin is older then him.
On Sunshine. Chandler did recognize it this chapter. Given that he used true night to nullify Escanor.
On the mind control. It's not literal mind control. The people under it's effect still have a great deal of free will. Certain emotions and feelings are just removed like Fear and Pain, and then they gain a power boost as well.
Edited by Envyus on Nov 13th 2018 at 12:09:09 PM
It doesn't turn them into robots, but it does turn them into obedient and useful pawns. Their loyalty is clearly affected and they're willing to engage in self destructive behavior without even realizing it.
Edited by Arha on Nov 13th 2018 at 1:20:29 PM
x2 More Than Mind Control is a thing, and those under its effects do become unhealthily devoted to the Archangels and dying in their name. Unlike those who aren't.
Removing fear and even ones ability to feel pain is in fact used as some forms of Mind Control to make controlling targets easier too. There's a lot of variety when it comes to Mind Control as a result.
Edited by OmegaRadiance on Nov 13th 2018 at 11:23:06 AM
Yeah that's what I mean, it's more of a more then mind control thing.
Funny enough the Angels themselves pointed out to Deathpirce what the effect was on him.
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