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DeMarquis Who Am I? from Hell, USA Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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Jul 1st 2014 at 5:07:39 AM

Large scale pro-democracy protests have begun in Hong Kong.

"...The march comes days after nearly 800,000 residents participated in an informal vote on making the selection of the city’s top official more democratic, an exercise that Beijing dismissed as illegal. It also follows the release last month of a so-called white paper that reasserted the central government’s authority over the semiautonomous territory."

The protest apparently attracted a very large crowd- over one hundred thousand people by some accounts. So far, the protest has been entirely peaceful. NPR has also done a story on it.

And so it begins again...

[Note to the mods: I am opening this in a new thread because the East Asia thread isnt about protests specifically.]

edited 1st Jul '14 5:08:15 AM by demarquis

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Jul 1st 2014 at 10:00:10 AM

[up]Honestly, this could be put in that thread. That thread is for all kinds of things related to places like Hong Kong and China, protests included.

But I'll let others decide. You can cross-post there, in any case.

demarquis Who Am I? from Hell, USA Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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Jul 1st 2014 at 11:05:51 AM

Hong Kong’s Biggest Protest in Decade Calls for Democracy: "...At least 510,000 people took part, Johnson Yeung of rally organizer Civil Human Rights Front told a cheering crowd, while police tallied 98,600 at its peak, broadcaster RTHK said. Both estimates are the most for the annual event since 2004."

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FFShinra Beware the Crazy Man. from Ivalice, apparently Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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Jul 1st 2014 at 11:45:54 AM

I'll be very curious to see where this goes. On the one hand, I wouldn't be surprised if China brought down the hammer. On the other hand, if they manage to become another Singapore, that changes Asia's dynamics greatly....

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Jul 1st 2014 at 11:53:13 AM

On the other hand, if China does bring down the hammer on Hong Kong, it'll just worsen China's reputation with its neighbors and the West further, I'd have to guess.

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SeptimusHeap from Bern, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Jul 1st 2014 at 11:57:51 AM

Somehow, I don't think that that would make too much of a difference.

Somewhat more interesting is how these protests affect the "One China, Two Systems" doctrine (assuming that it is still in practice right now) - for those unfamiliar, it means that Hong Kong and Macau would keep their political systems.

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Beware the Crazy Man.
Jul 1st 2014 at 11:58:26 AM

Yeah, but they know that would eventually subside. After all, it ain't the first time...

But then again, having only ruled it since 97, they may not care after a certain point. But considering how obsessed they are with the old Imperial boundaries, they probably would...

Final Fantasy, Foreign Policy, and Bollywood. Helluva combo, that...
Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
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Jul 1st 2014 at 1:06:18 PM

This comes close after an extremely fractious Chinese visit to Britain, where the UK government was told, in effect, to keep out of HK affairs. The return treaty specifies 50 years of HK keeping its own system...but without anyone fighting Hong Kong's corner, I fear the CPC might decide to hang the treaty and go ahead with their plans for it.

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Jul 1st 2014 at 2:34:41 PM

It's also important to note that in the years before Britain handed over Hong Kong in 1997, Britain did a lot of work to promote democracy there...

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Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
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Jul 1st 2014 at 2:36:01 PM

Despite China's best efforts.

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TobiasDrake Exposition Dragon from Colorado, USA Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
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Jul 1st 2014 at 2:42:09 PM

Yeah, I'm expecting this to end in China bringing down the hammer too.

It would make them look more dickish to other nations, but as long as they keep to killing their own people, the international community is sort of fine with that. It's when they start killing other countries' people that we get upset.

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demarquis Who Am I? from Hell, USA Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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Jul 1st 2014 at 4:06:06 PM

There are significant economic implications that the Chinese have to worry about. HK is basically a cash cow for the PRC. They face a brain drain and other consequences if they crack down too hard. Then again, they face serious political implications if they do not.

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Jul 1st 2014 at 4:27:05 PM

Another thing to consider is that the goal of the PRC is Taiwan. Hong Kong is supposed to be an example to show Taiwan that she has a way to govern Taiwan without compromising the people's life, ie the "one country, two systems". If they come down too hard it would scare Taiwan off.

Therefore I'd guess that the hammer would come, but not too hard and not in an explicit way.

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Relationship Status: Hiding
Jul 2nd 2014 at 2:14:29 AM

"Only by maintaining Hong Kong's stability can we sustain our economic prosperity. Only by sustaining Hong Kong's prosperity can we improve people's livelihoods," Mr Leung said.

After knowing what this dude has done, I call bullshit on his shit.

SeptimusHeap from Bern, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Jul 2nd 2014 at 2:18:54 AM

What has he done? I see both "suggesting Deng Xiaoping (—> among other things, the perpetrator of the Tiananmen Massacre) for Noble Peace Prize" and "lowering job prospects".

Jul 2nd 2014 at 2:23:34 AM

I mentioned this in a very old thread, hang on...

Edit: This is what he pulled up several years ago. This is what I posted about it. This is an English site for what the "moral and national education" entails.

Edit edit: And also, this happened after the protests back then.

edited 2nd Jul '14 2:40:14 AM by IraTheSquire

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Jul 2nd 2014 at 2:37:00 AM

Very good, Hong Kong. Make sure to keep China occupied.

I keep telling myself that China can't be "that" ridiculous, but I can't bring myself to completely discount the idea that someday China will try to claim Singapore.

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Jul 2nd 2014 at 5:57:59 AM

It'd be an outright war of aggression. And Singapore's military is nothing to sneeze at. They could put up quite a fight. Plus they are on good terms with quite a few other nations who have issues with China so they'd have back up

China would have tohave a monumentally dumb leader to try it.

edited 2nd Jul '14 5:58:49 AM by joesolo

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Jul 2nd 2014 at 10:49:21 AM

They will have to get through Thailand and Malaysia to get to us. It won't happen unless they decide to imitate Imperial Japan. And really.. other than having a Chinese majority, Singapore is of no more interest to China than, say, Switzerland.

What has he done? I see both "suggesting Deng Xiaoping (—> among other things, the perpetrator of the Tiananmen Massacre) for Noble Peace Prize" and "lowering job prospects

Tiananmen might go down as Deng Xiaoping's greatest mistake, but defining him by Tiananmen alone is doing an injustice to the man who, after all, saved China from Mao's legacy.

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Jul 2nd 2014 at 11:28:23 AM

Deng was a fuckbag like every other CPC leader.

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Jul 2nd 2014 at 4:27:04 PM

Statements from the Hong Kong Police Force declare that the protestors were removed because the march was done without prior consent.

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Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
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Jul 2nd 2014 at 4:31:54 PM

Deng's enduring achievement will be to have fused the absolute worst of capitalism's machinery of exploitation with the absolute worst of communism's machinery of repression. I suppose he saw the future.

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Indiana Solo
Jul 2nd 2014 at 8:01:21 PM

[up][up] he, permission to protest. Reminds me of something from a parody "Government Manual for new wizards". While mostly jokes about wizards, obviously, it did sneak in some stuff at government expense.

There was a form for protests which included a extra couple pages under something along the lines of "If you intend to protest against any government policies or practices, please include the names, phone numbers, and home addresses of all participants below"

You ask for permission first it just gives them time to stomp it out.

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Ominae Organized Canine Bureau Special Agent
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Jul 2nd 2014 at 8:31:15 PM

Here's a press statement released by the HKPF.

As at 6.30am today (July 2), Police arrested a total of 196 people, including 141 males and 55 females, for participating in unauthorised assembly and obstructing police officers in an operation in Central this morning. The operation is still ongoing and Police express regret over the uncooperative and illegal acts of the participants of the public meeting.

The public meeting on Chater Road on July 1 should have concluded according to the finishing time stated in the Letter of No Objection. After repeated advice and warnings by Police including the display of warning banners, those refusing to leave in fact took part in an unauthorised assembly. They occupied the road and blocked the traffic, endangering public safety and public order as well as disregarding their own safety and the safety of other people. There are 26 bus routes and one minibus route operating along Chater Road, and 13 bus routes operating at the section of Des Voeux Road Central between Pedder Street and Murray Road. If Chater Road is closed, the traffic of Queen’s Road Central, Des Voeux Road Central, Pedder Street and even the whole Hong Kong Island will be affected.

In order to restore public order, safeguard public safety and resume the traffic there, Police decided to take action and arrested the protesters according to the law. Police officers at scene conducted the operation in a professional and restrained manner and with no other alternatives, Police had to use necessary and appropriate force.

Police reiterate we respect the public's freedoms of expression, speech and assembly. It is the policy of Police to facilitate all lawful and peaceful public events while at the same time ensuring public safety and public order. Members of the public should comply with the laws of Hong Kong and maintain social order when expressing their views.

Police will not tolerate any acts jeopardising public order and public safety. We will take resolute action and effective measures against any illegal activities in order to restore public order.

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