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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#101: Jul 1st 2014 at 2:18:59 PM

Yeah, a democratic commando force is not a good idea. You have to have someone telling everyone else what to do, otherwise we'll get squashed like bugs because we're off doing our own things.

Besides, it's likely that Black Flame wouldn't want to the same thing as they did in the Spanish Civil war.

I mean, despite the fact that it ended so well for the Communists.

edited 1st Jul '14 2:22:15 PM by BaconManiac5000

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#102: Jul 1st 2014 at 2:28:26 PM

Evald doesn't want a democratic structure, just an election of someone who will then receive total command, and even then only if the higher ups don't pick one themselves.

Trump delenda est
BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#103: Jul 1st 2014 at 2:35:25 PM

I wonder if American Glory and Devastator are going to fight?

That would be interesting to see.

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deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#104: Jul 1st 2014 at 2:41:36 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] And the Black Army went against a much more professional army and was very professional in its nature. And I, and Black Flame, would hold that they didn't lose because of their structure.

And the militia did have something like that. In the heat of battle, the militia had a de facto commander, with most of the collective decision making occurring before, after, and generally between battles. That's what Black Flame is used to, so that's probably how she's going to do this.

[up][up][up][up] No. I'm speaking of a single element of the Republican side, not the Republican side as a whole. The Republican side as a whole was a mess because it was a bunch of groups that hated each other forced onto a single side by a unified enemy. Each of the groups within the Republican side were much less of a mess. The mess came not from the groups within it but from the relations they had with each other. So the tankies on the Republican side were pretty well organized and unified, but they hated the icepicks and anarchists enough that they'd fight against them. The social democrats were similar. The icepicks were themselves well organized and unified, but they hated the tankies and social democrats enough that they'd fight against them. The anarchists were quite similar.

[up][up][up] Nah, we need coordination, not orders. This can come equally in the form of one person making a plan and telling everyone they have to follow the plan as it can from everyone sitting down and creating a plan together and then doing the plan they created, then someone reacting to changes in the scenario and changing the plan and sharing the changes with the others. The second, you'll note, still has a commander for the battlefield, but is structured with collective decision making in the planning of how things will go down.

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#105: Jul 1st 2014 at 2:41:37 PM

Evald shook his head in dismay at the American's behavior. The man was insane. He might not be fond of the Sky Maiden, she was definitely an arrogant bitch if ever there was one, but if he had to pick between the two of them, well it wasn't even a choice really.

Exactly what I was going for.grin

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#106: Jul 1st 2014 at 2:43:37 PM

wild mass guessAmerican Glory is actually Russian.wild mass guess

Also, Marksman would probably make a good leader.

edited 1st Jul '14 2:45:53 PM by BaconManiac5000

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#107: Jul 1st 2014 at 2:47:32 PM

[up][up][up]So long as it doesn't happen during battles we have something of a chance. But the nature of battlefield commanding requires the commander to make tough calls that will leave someone on his side very unhappy. (Somebody's got to draw the fire of the machine gun, or take point on the patrol and be the first to take a sniper's bullet.) Without some semblence of professionalism, bad things will happen; plus, collective decision-making tends to result in more cautious, conservative plans—bad when you're commando force and essentially succeed by audacity and boldness backed up by thorough planning.

edited 1st Jul '14 2:47:37 PM by SabresEdge

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#108: Jul 1st 2014 at 2:48:04 PM

Devastator's only worry is the collateral damage she might cause. She does know the importance of not destroying the room, so she's giving a warning... keep poking at own risk :p

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#109: Jul 1st 2014 at 2:50:25 PM

[up]Oh, I've done more than 'poking' by this point...

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#110: Jul 1st 2014 at 2:51:25 PM

[up][up][up][up]The GM, via RNG, has already decided that the overall mission commander is Black Flame. Meaning it's her job to delegate further tasks, including roles like squad commanders and the like.

edited 1st Jul '14 2:51:34 PM by SabresEdge

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deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#111: Jul 1st 2014 at 2:51:37 PM

[up][up][up][up] And that is how the Spanish militia were structured, to my understanding, so that's how she's going to structure this team, since that's basically the only way she knows to structure military engagements.

Also, with this team, I don't think we need to worry about cautious, conservative plans from anyone or them collectively.

edited 1st Jul '14 2:52:09 PM by deathpigeon

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#112: Jul 1st 2014 at 2:52:10 PM

From what I've seen, if this fight is allowed to play out, it will be much like Hulk vs Thor.

Hulk is stronger than Thor, like American Glory is stronger than Devastator, but Thor can fly and has magical powers, much like Devastator has.

Unfortunately, this fight will probably be broken up soon.

edited 1st Jul '14 2:53:09 PM by BaconManiac5000

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deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#113: Jul 1st 2014 at 2:53:31 PM

If it comes down to it, Black Flame is more than willing to set everything on fire to break up the fight.

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#114: Jul 1st 2014 at 2:54:26 PM

Well, thank heavens we're working with platoon-level formations at the highest.

Anyway, Commander Flame (and I'm not using that title sarcastically—she's mission commander and that's that) faces her first challenge now—how to reign in the possibly-insane member of the team.

You know, in most infantry units on the frontline, someone who'd endanger his comrades by his antics would quickly find himself reassigned to duties in the rear where he wouldn't get his squad killed by his incompetence.

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#115: Jul 1st 2014 at 2:54:47 PM

[up][up]And Fred won't be shy about pulling the two away from each other if necessary.

edited 1st Jul '14 2:55:09 PM by BaconManiac5000

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deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#116: Jul 1st 2014 at 2:57:40 PM

[up][up] Well, right now, she's currently siding with Herja. Plus, she has no idea she's going to be made commander, yet, so she kinda considers what's happening, right now, to be not really her problem, all that much.

[up] Much less fun than setting things on fire.

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#117: Jul 1st 2014 at 3:00:03 PM

True, but we'd get in less trouble.

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#118: Jul 1st 2014 at 3:00:08 PM

If Black Flame does that to a library, I'm going to lobby as hard as I can to get an orangutang character, purely so I could then have the orangutang repeatedly attempt bloody murder on her.

Because you do not do that to books. tongue

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deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#119: Jul 1st 2014 at 3:04:53 PM

[up] Ooo. Good point. She probably doesn't want to destroy books, even if she wants to set the room itself on fire, she'll probably try to keep the fire from the books.

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#120: Jul 1st 2014 at 3:06:00 PM

I think I might have a way to fix this if the fight escalates.

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#121: Jul 1st 2014 at 3:06:59 PM

Herja does, too. :p

BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#122: Jul 1st 2014 at 3:09:02 PM

Aw, but that's no fun. :(

I kind of wanted a fight between the two of you.

edited 1st Jul '14 3:12:42 PM by BaconManiac5000

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#123: Jul 1st 2014 at 3:17:33 PM

You know, as much as "first we fight it out, then we become battle buddies" is a beloved trope in superhero movies, what those stories tend to gloss over is that it's a great way to scuttle morale and trust if you let it affect the mission—which in this case it obviously does. It raises serious doubts on whether or not your buddies can trust you at the point of fire, and those doubts are the last thing a small-unit force like ours can afford—especially a small-unit force where everyone has to pull their weight.

edited 1st Jul '14 3:17:49 PM by SabresEdge

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BaconManiac5000 Since: Nov, 2013 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#124: Jul 1st 2014 at 3:21:14 PM

But Fire-Forged Friends is one of my favorite tropes.

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#125: Jul 1st 2014 at 3:22:03 PM

[up][up][up]Herja would fight Glory... but not inside their own allies HQ. There is a limit on how reckless can one be.

edited 1st Jul '14 3:22:32 PM by AtomicNut


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