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Perseus Since: Nov, 2009
#3251: Dec 25th 2021 at 12:14:33 AM

Ah, you have some insight into the devs' mindset that I don't, then?

Also, suggesting they can't or won't just retcon clearly established lore on a whim is an uncharacteristic amount of faith from you. tongue

Edited by Perseus on Dec 26th 2021 at 7:26:23 AM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#3252: Dec 25th 2021 at 4:10:58 AM

If you cut Shadow in half, does he look like the biolizard on the inside?

I do think it's an issue that Shadow and Sonic don't really have any reason to interact with each other? They don't like each other and they only get into contact in the first place because they happen to look similar to each other.

I think an adaptation would do well to give the two of them a closer link.

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#3253: Dec 25th 2021 at 5:43:02 AM

[up][up] No said, they will....because that's literally what they've been doing for the last 20 years.

Do I need to bring up the two world fiasco.

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#3254: Dec 25th 2021 at 6:27:58 AM

> If you cut Shadow in half, does he look like the biolizard on the inside?

actually now you've got an additional edgy hedgehog,clones you see

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#3255: Dec 25th 2021 at 6:38:35 AM

I agree the Super Sonic mural stuff is definitely what they were going for, sometimes you just need to extrapolate from data.

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#3256: Dec 25th 2021 at 7:39:10 AM

Many years, I came to the realization that Sonic stories are episodic in nature, and have very minimal continuity with one another. You may get minor call backs but it's irrelevant.

That Sonic mural inspiring Shadow design is not Adventure 2 at all, so it wasn't Maewaka intention. He never even commented on why Shadow looks like Sonic. It's just a thing that happened.

There's subtext (and later plain text) that Gerald studied ancient knowledge which involved Chaos...which brings the question on how he got that knowledge. Did Knuckles' ancestor at the time gave it to him?

Nick complaining that Knuckles' Chaotix never bothered to explore Knuckles' background, I complain Iizuka decided to explore why Shadow was black rather than why he is a hedgehog to begin with.

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#3257: Dec 25th 2021 at 8:10:34 AM

Shadow looks like Sonic because they wanted to give the latter a new dark rival with a similar mindset and moveset.

They just probably didn't go over the details on why these two individuals look alike.

For the longest time, people assumed they were brothers lol.

I guess it makes sense; usually when you have two major characters who are as similar as Sonic and Shadow, its usually a plot point. Can't blame fans for thinking there's a connection between them.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#3259: Dec 25th 2021 at 11:45:08 AM

I've heard the theory that Shadow looks like sonic because sonic is the true ultimate life form, hense why sonic can do chaos control.

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#3260: Dec 25th 2021 at 11:48:38 AM

This all could have been used as interesting lore, but alas.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#3261: Dec 26th 2021 at 4:48:29 AM

Is Silver the ultimate lifeform too?

Negacube Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
#3262: Dec 26th 2021 at 4:58:20 AM

Yes. The real question is who is the most Ultimate.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#3263: Dec 26th 2021 at 5:18:00 AM

Don't make me think about Silver.

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#3264: Dec 26th 2021 at 10:29:19 AM

Would be great if they adapted a lot more of the extended cast. Silver has enough memes to work with alone to have some funny moments, but having a psychic character could make for some really neat battles too.

Shadow?
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#3265: Dec 26th 2021 at 10:57:53 AM

Its ironic that Silver was positioned to be the next Shadow in a way, and then after 06 bombed he was just quickly shunted to the side.

But because he's nowhere near as popular as Sonic and Shadow, he's also nowhere near as divisive. Go figure

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#3266: Dec 26th 2021 at 10:59:25 AM

Really? All the parts of the fandom I interact with haaaatess Silver. Only his IDW appearence redeems him.

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#3267: Dec 26th 2021 at 11:04:11 AM

I said he wasn't AS divisive, not that he wasn't divisive at all. Every character is controversial in some way, just some more than others.

Silver is pretty low on the totem pole, so he's mostly ignored unless he gets focus....which he rarely does.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#3268: Dec 26th 2021 at 11:08:21 AM

That's true, but I feel like Shadow is widely liked even if his flaws are acknowledged. I don't quite understand the comparison.

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#3269: Dec 26th 2021 at 11:10:58 AM

Silver was disliked for a long time, I don't think the turnaround on him happened until recently.

He stuck around because Sega went all in on him (He was in Rivals a few months later), but 06 was not a good first impression.

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#3270: Dec 26th 2021 at 11:13:18 AM

[up][up]No the fuck he isn't. If you were around the fandom in the mid 2000's, the fandom was split between who enjoyed Shadow's presence and people who were just sick of him constantly getting focus over the older characters like Tails or Knuckles.

Even nowadays, you still have people hung up on that.

But the main comparison between Shadow and Silver is that they're both characters with a dark backstory and introduced as a new rival to Sonic, and both were manipulated by a higher power into carrying out their bidding.

The difference is in the details obviously, but Silver instantly gets top billing alongside the aforementioned Shadow. So a lot fans noted how Sega were trying to promote yet ANOTHER Hedgehog rival so soon after Shadow's introduction.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Dec 26th 2021 at 2:13:56 PM

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#3271: Dec 26th 2021 at 11:14:11 AM

I think Blaze and the Chaotix are the inly characters who aren't divisive.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#3272: Dec 26th 2021 at 11:17:26 AM

The shadow the hedgehog game was actually the game that made me abandon the franchise. But Shadow saw a fan community turn around that silver is still waiting on (or maybe is just about getting kicked off?)

Blaze is great. She deserves more depictions.

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#3273: Dec 26th 2021 at 11:18:18 AM

The Chaotix are comic relief, so they don't inspire the same weaboo obsessed conversations that characters like Silver or Shadow.

And Blaze was kneecapped before she even got a chance to really be prominent. But it helps her gameplay is the least controversial since she actually plays like a Sonic character.

[up] The Shadow game was around the time Shadow was cemented as a staple of the franchise. So like yea, he's not going anywhere.

And yea, Silver hasn't gotten anywhere near as much attention or love past 06. Its only the comics he really gets attention but its comics lol

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Dec 26th 2021 at 2:20:42 PM

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#3275: Dec 26th 2021 at 11:25:51 AM

My experience with Silver is that whoever holds a twitter Avi with him, they a dark age Stan obsessed with him. A random whoever even said they weren't going to watch the movie because Silver isn't in there

I suspect Silver holds the teenage girls of the series.

It's a good thing Evans is sane.

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